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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by mlni »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

There are a bunch of these four-wheel bikes (https://vokbikes.com/) rolling around where I live. They're meant for commercial use and are slow enough for sidewalks and they do have a roof covering the rider. Cost more than $2000 though.

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Post by koheripbal »

parkingrift wrote: post #398

I’m shocked at the number of people paying EV prices. The Model Y is just about the only EV SUV that you can go out and buy right now, and it starts at $68k. The math does not support this price premium. You will not save money. This is before considering that it will cost several thousand to have a charger installed, and to say nothing of the other drawbacks of EV ownership. My prediction is that EV penetration will…

Ownership also doesn't make economic sense. Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period.

People are just buying the fad.

They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

koheripbal wrote: post #402
parkingrift wrote: post #398

I’m shocked at the number of people paying EV prices. The Model Y is just about the only EV SUV that you can go out and buy right now, and it starts at $68k. The math does not support this price premium. You will not save money. This is before considering that it will cost several thousand to have a charger installed, and to say nothing of the other drawbacks of EV ownership. My prediction is that EV penetration will…

Ownership also doesn't make economic sense. Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. People are just buying the fad. They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.

> They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.

They would still be green if that was the case, though generally it's not, see state by state worked examples here: https://evtool.ucsusa.org/

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by badpun »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #303
ReptileMan wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No EV has 500 km range when you drive it in real world conditions. If you drive it with normal highway speed - 140-160 km/h you can barely get 250.

Do you have a new EV? My 2015 Model S 70D has a nominal range of 330 km and as far as i can tell it does pretty close to that unless I am running at high speed (110 km/h or more) or doing a lot of hill climbing. So I'm pretty sure that a newer EV, especially a lighter one or one with a larger battery and lower power motor would have a longer range. 140 km/h and above is not a normal highway speed in any country excep…

Poland has around 1200 km of motorways where the limit is 140 km/h.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by syntheweave »

krisoft wrote: post #266
eyelidlessness wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As both a cyclist and pedestrian, I definitely prefer bikes off the sidewalk. Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. Even if they get both of those right, they’ve frequently terrified my pup by just being faster and louder and larger than anything on foot she’s ever met. I’ve had to return hom…

> Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. You are absolutely right. As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment. Even if you do the even more conscientious thing and you slow all the way down to match speed with them, and then “wa…

I used to encounter this back when I would ride kick scooters on sidewalks. Startling is instinctual and the verbalization of offense at one's existence(which often follows DARVO dynamics) happens in the process of catching up. But I've had success not getting negativity with urban biking more recently.

I rarely try to overtake pedestrians directly when off marked multiuse paths. Instead I stop pedaling and walk the bike while saying nothing. The persistent tick-tick noise activates their awareness after a few seconds, but I have to wait for a sign, and sometimes none appears so I will walk the whole block and overtake at the intersection. Regardless, they like that noise much more than a voice or a bell, because it's a bike that isn't imminently bearing down on them, so it primes their expectations.

This is facilitated by defaulting to the lowest gear, setting the saddle position low, and letting yourself cruise slow most of the time. Everyone, whether car, bike, or pedestrian, wants to default to "never stop, always be moving". But sometimes you have to explicitly yield and the adjustments away from efficient road cycling help with doing so.

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Post by badpun »

rootusrootus wrote: post #39
Swizec wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying a car right now feels like a tough decision. ICEs are on their way out, even illegal pretty soon, but EVs aren’t quite there yet especially if you live in the city and can’t charge at home. Probably best to wait ~5 years then buy an EV, if you can wait.

Owning my own house, I will say that I'd happily never buy another ICE car. Charging at home is so much better than waiting in line at the gas station every week. The performance is excellent. In basically all ways that don't involve absurdly long road trips, the EV is the better choice. But price. That's the killer right now. They're popular, batteries are expensive. I may actually go back to a PHEV for my next car…

> Charging at home is so much better than waiting in line at the gas station every week.

There are lines at gas stations in developed countries? I can't even remember when I last saw one.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

olivermarks wrote: post #23

EVs are currently more expensive to operate in europe than gasoline powered vehicles due to out of control inflation and geo political supply issues

Really? In the UK it's still better to run an EV, and I thought they were the hardest hit at the moment?

Here's a recently updated article that suggests it's still a good deal: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-111...

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

chrisco255 wrote: post #93
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot d…

>Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather,

The country with highest share of EV is… Norway. And by a huge margin.

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/transport...

I think you're wrong.

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by darrenf »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #371
danielbln wrote: post #365

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In that case a loud freewheel wouldn't do much either though.

Yep, anything audio, like a whistle, shouting "ahoy there!", has less use these days and with tiny airpods being a thing now, it's not even possible to guess from a distance if someone is listening to music. Possibly some kind of laser beam thing that sweeps the ground in front of you might work?

> Possibly some kind of laser beam thing that sweeps the ground in front of you might work?

That's what the TFL bikes in London do[0]:

"The Blaze Laserlight is fixed to the cycle frame and projects a green cycle-shaped image onto the ground around 6 metres ahead of the cycle."

[0] https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/santander-cycles/blaze-lase...

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