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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by scarface74 »

some-human wrote: post #380
scarface74 wrote: post #271

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So instead of depending on three of the largest tech companies with built in redundancies, you want to depend on a fly by night operator with no track record? You would even avoid DropBox because they also chose to use proven reliable technology until their own technology was good enough?

I mean personally I use iCloud and Google Drive, but i fully understand that at any point Apple or Google could decide to hand all of my data to a government, accidently turn off all their security and let anybody access my data, delete my data, or even go bankrupt. But the point I was making was that it was hard for a laymen to decide to avoid using any of the bigtech companies, since so many of the small upstarts a…

There is very much such a thing as “cloud computing”. The “cloud” isn’t just a bunch of VMs. There is an entire offering on top of the VMs. Your average consumer is not going to spin up a bunch of Linode VMs and create their own backup solutions.

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Post by scarface74 »

29083011397778 wrote: post #375
scarface74 wrote: post #337

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This isn’t Google being “evil” just incompetent. During their entire history, they’ve had one successful product - advertising. No Android has not been a financial success. It came out in the Oracle trial that Android had only made Google $27 Billion in profit from its inception through the trial start date. For comparison, Google pays Apple a reported $14 Billion a year to be the default search engine on iOS devices…

Android has immeasurable value, by way of ensuring Google didn't get locked out of the mobile ecosystem. What happens to Chrome's market share without being a default on one of the most used operating systems in the world? How about Google's traffic data for Google Maps without billions of devices they own reporting in every 60 seconds? Android's value may not be easy to measure, but it's worth in building and mainta…

Google is locked out the ecosystem of people who actually have money to spend. How else do you explain how they are willing to pay a competitor $14 billion+ a year?

It doesn’t matter that Android is running on a bunch of $100 phones where they are getting a low ARPU. The Oracle trial showed how little profit came from Android.

Who do you think business would rather target iPhone users or Android users?

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Post by scarface74 »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #351
scarface74 wrote: post #337

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This isn’t Google being “evil” just incompetent. During their entire history, they’ve had one successful product - advertising. No Android has not been a financial success. It came out in the Oracle trial that Android had only made Google $27 Billion in profit from its inception through the trial start date. For comparison, Google pays Apple a reported $14 Billion a year to be the default search engine on iOS devices…

Incompetence that leads to accusing a caring father of distributing CP seems “evil” to me. And I usually find myself on your side of these discussion, trying to avoid hyperbole. I don’t think ‘evil’ is hyperbolic in this case.

Google has never been focused on the end user like Apple, Microsoft and Amazon. All three of them live and die by customer service. But Google could care less about the end user.

Standard disclaimer; I work for AWS.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

sgent wrote: post #384
encryptluks2 wrote: post #328

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Which to be fair, the guy lives in San Francisco. It isn't that hard to file a small claims case. I understand that there may be some legal nuisances involved, but just getting the attention of the legal review team that will have to show up to defend the case is usually enough to get them to evaluate a matter beyond the algorithms. I don't think it is fair, but is much quicker and cheaper $7,000.

Maybe CA is different, but in most states small claims can't order equitable remedies (reinstating his account) and can only award money damages.

What would be sought is return of property which small claims courts do have the power to enforce. A case trying to change the laws to force a company to provide services to you against their choice, with some exceptions for discrimination due to protected classes, would easily cost millions and is pretty much dead in the water from the get go. If the property value is assessed to be more than $10,000 then by all means seek relief in another court but note Google wouldn't be able to have a lawyer represent them in small claims..

If Google has to choose between sending an executive to small claims to defend the company without representation or try to resolve a dispute via settlement, they are likely to try to resolve it via settlement which is the type of relief this individual appears to be seeking.

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Post by lupire »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #325
wonderbore wrote: post #137

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> Please explain why this is different from traveling to any other country. My guess is that the "trigger" for "any other country" is much higher. Criticize the US President all you like on every social network: not a problem. Save a screenshot of Winnie the Pooh: you're playing with fire.

> Criticize the US President all you like on every social network: not a problem. given that this [1] already happened in my country, and also this [2] also happened (just to name a couple) and nobody paid, that there are 13,000 American soldiers on my Country's soil and that this [3] man has been POTUS and is probably running again for election, I wouldn't say "not a problem". US could reach me at my house if they w…

In China, Winnie the Pooh is illegal, because the dictator looks similar.

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Post by scarface74 »

afandian wrote: post #64
scarface74 wrote: post #30

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A specific medical oriented app. I’ve had a few virtual appointments where they ask me do I have an iPhone for FaceTime. I do. But what do they do for Android users? Which one of the ten soon to be discontinued Google video conferencing apps would the doctor use?

Here’s an American one used in the UK. That had a data breach exposing sensitive images. I won’t ever trust consumer computers for sensitive medical stuff. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52986629 Discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23471347

I’m not saying health care companies are competent. I am saying at least they have legal obligations to try to keep your information secure. Google has no such obligation.

Besides, there is less likely of a chance that a medical app targeted toward virtual care for babies would be flagging parents for sending pictures of their children to a doctor.

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #404
sgent wrote: post #384

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Maybe CA is different, but in most states small claims can't order equitable remedies (reinstating his account) and can only award money damages.

What would be sought is return of property which small claims courts do have the power to enforce. A case trying to change the laws to force a company to provide services to you against their choice, with some exceptions for discrimination due to protected classes, would easily cost millions and is pretty much dead in the water from the get go. If the property value is assessed to be more than $10,000 then by all mea…

Google has a team of non-lawyers with legal training whose job is to attend small claims court. They're not wasting an exec's time.

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Post by ISL »

hosteur wrote: post #175
ISL wrote: post #153

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One solution to many of these concerns is a periodic backup (via Takeout) of your Google account.

How do you automate this for daily backups?

I doubt that you can do this daily -- I don't think Takeout can work differentially.

Monthly or annual downloads though, can be scheduled manually simply by putting a note on your calendar.

If an account goes down, the thing you'll miss most may not be the recent things, but rather the many years of archives you might have in a Google account.

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Post by IshKebab »

mikece wrote: post #4

I worked in a 1 Hour Photo when I was in college. The standing rule we had is that any photos of naked adults were not printed (the customer was given their negatives though). In the case of naked children if it was the typical "kid taking their first bath" it was fine but if there was any doubt we had a manager review it. I think we had to call the cops a couple times (more for passing the buck than making an offici…

Yeah but did you then cut off your customers' phone lines, redirect all their mail, steal all of their previous photo albums...

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Post by some-human »

scarface74 wrote: post #401
some-human wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean personally I use iCloud and Google Drive, but i fully understand that at any point Apple or Google could decide to hand all of my data to a government, accidently turn off all their security and let anybody access my data, delete my data, or even go bankrupt. But the point I was making was that it was hard for a laymen to decide to avoid using any of the bigtech companies, since so many of the small upstarts a…

There is very much such a thing as “cloud computing”. The “cloud” isn’t just a bunch of VMs. There is an entire offering on top of the VMs. Your average consumer is not going to spin up a bunch of Linode VMs and create their own backup solutions.

slip of the tongue/keyboard. It was obviously supposed to read "There's no such thing as cloud storage, just somebody else's computer." It's a fairly well known phrase[0][1]. It's even a laptop sticker[2].

And no, they're not going to spin up a VM. They should buy their own NAS and back everything up to that if they care enough about privacy to avoid cloud storage.

[0] https://pocketnow.com/no-such-thing-as-the-cloud [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/argram/the_clo... [2] https://www.redbubble.com/shop/there+is+no+cloud+stickers

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