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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> To many Taiwanese, support for "Taiwan independence" would be tantamount to denying their history and self-experienced identity. A very real sort of oppression. Source? I have Taiwanese sources stating the exact opposite. The Taiwanese youth does not want to be seen as Chinese.

Asking for sources while not providing the ones you claim to have is kind of ironic. If you check Taiwanese opinion polls https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963 you'll see that there's a plurality of opinions. People who want independence outnumber people who want unification, but the majority prefers to keep the status quo, for now or forever.

I am not naming people I know personally, especially not in this context. There is no irony, I am telling you, that there is a Taiwanese source behind my statement. I would have been happy with the same statement from OP.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> Look at what happened to Nike and H&M after they voiced concerns about Xinjiang. A global company that wastes resources engaging in hysterically overblown State Department propaganda is a company that compromises the credibility of its leadership to make intelligent strategic decisions. We're out of the unipolar era, and companies that are stuck it in it will get outpaced.

I think Google proved you can live and thrive without the China domestic market.

Google doesn't have any full-spectrum peer competitors, much less any that are operating in both PRC and USA.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> She said, long before the war started, funny thing happened with a lot of involved companys. Are you able to give any examples?

Got new banc accounts, changed owner, etc. Most prominent example: Germany Launches €10 Billion Bailout for Gazprom’s Local Unit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31773314

Isn’t that all long after it started though?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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yeahhh I'm going to need Puerto Rico's parallel tax structure for as long as possible so if we could not alter their territorial status and also keep Congress split on everything that would be greeaaaaat just keep posting "red waaaave" on your instagram account and "blue waaaave" on your twitter account so that everyone stays in their respective echo chamber, I think at least till 2025 would be good for me, I'll prob…

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So US citizens have to pretty much just ignore the entire offshore industry for legal tax avoidance, but fortunately the US offers US citizens many ways to not have a tax bill.

Some US territories have a parallel tax system that isn't underneath the Federal Government, whereas states are under the federal government, so a resident of a state has to pay state taxes as well as federal taxes. Although there are "categories" of types of territories, these categories are pretty much made up on the spot and each territory is its own separate case, as the US only has 5 inhabited territories all with unique tax and citizenship conditions.

Long story short, Puerto Rico has a tax system that is treated like being a foreign country, but checks the box for total Federal US tax compliance.

Under Puerto Rico's "Act 60", which mainland transplants to Puerto Rico can apply for, many transactions are taxed at zero percent, most importantly capital gains (for trades initiated while on the island and sold on the island, pro-rata based on time for longer held positions), while "PR sourced income" is taxed at 5%, or an up-to-4% corporate tax rate (so the same activity done through a corporation is taxed lower, and the dividends are tax free, and the sales of shares are tax free)

So if you want to clear all your money in the eyes of the Federal government, then living a year in PR to execute or finish a specific plan is good.

Congress has a little control over PR, but its more beneficial and easier to perpetuate division in Congress, at least at this class level, than pretend to have some other trendy cause that your friends want you to espouse.

and finally I made a reference to renouncing citizenship. If you leave "for tax purposes" then there exit taxes. So the goal is to keep more of your money at your own discretion, and then leave for any reason that isn't "tax purposes".

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> Taiwan is "going to far" ethically and Apple should refuse, but I can't quite see this. And we won't see it from any big name company, since nearly everything is manufactured, in part or whole, in China.

I bought some tools at Harbor Freight recently that were stamped "Made in Taiwan"

China is Taiwans largest trade partner. For example, 33% of its steel is from China (Taiwan being in the top 7 steel importer, in the world). With Harbor Freight being the destination, it's not unlikely that 90% of the materials in those tools are from China, including a good majority of the standard cogs, switches, and doo-das within.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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A link [1] referenced in your supporting evidence suggests it is but a remnant of the Chinese Civil War. But even then, Taiwan's constitution does state that a vote may be held in order to change such territorial claims. This only made it in the 7th revision, in 2004 [2]. I would also like to make it clear that mainland China is the only one that has ever put these claims (except for Mongolia) into practice. [1] http…

2004? That's nearly 20 years ago. Taiwan until around 1990 froze into place representatives from all the mainland provinces in its legislature, thereby effectively nullifying the democratic voice of the people who lived on the island. Taiwan's "外生人", those born on the mainland and who fled to Taiwan at the end of the civil war, took over the government, suppressing the views and interests of the "Taiwanese", the Chin…

> The Taiwanese themselves previously took over the island

That makes no sense.

From Wikipedia:

> Around 6,000 years ago .... Austronesian ... Han Chinese fishermen began settling in the Penghu islands in the 13th century.

That's 800 years ago.

Are you going to motivate an attack and invasion and war today, with what others did that far ago?

And then:

> In 1626, the Spanish Empire landed on and occupied northern Taiwan [...] 1642, when the last Spanish fortress fell to Dutch forces.[83] The Dutch then marched south, subduing hundreds of villages

That's Spain and the Netherlands, not Taiwan, occupying ... Taiwan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

You could have the whole world be at war with itself everywhere, by looking back some hundred years and motivating conflicts today with what you then find.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> There is nothing "by definition" when talking about the legality of sovereignty of countries. No, neither I nor the parent were talking about "legality" just sovereignty. This "legal" sovereignty is a concept you and you alone have introduced to the discussion, and frankly I think it's a pretty useless and nonsense concept in practical terms. (There is no world government, after all, and laws are different in every…

> No, neither I nor the parent were talking about "legality" just sovereignty moving the goalpost much? I specifically talked about "sovereign countries recognized by the UN " So yeah, I introduced it, because it's the only thing that matters. Nobody cares about sovereignty outside of legal borders and international recognition. Are Catalans sovereign in Catalonia? Nobody cares unless they can get international recog…

Are you okay?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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> That is not true. We all know China has poor environmental protections and low wages, and yet we choose to buy products made in China. It's 100% true, and we often buy from China because overwhelmingly there simply aren't alternatives, the alternatives are prohibitively difficult to find, the alternative is another developing country with similar labor and environmental policies, or the alternative is laundered thr…

Interesting examples. How'd they work out? More disposable bottles and fossil fuels are sold now than ever before. You can still buy cigarettes, and they're still as poisonous and addictive as ever, but most people don't want to buy them anymore. Public policy worked in 0/3 cases. Changing consumer behavior worked in 1/3.

Those weren’t public policies, they were marketing campaigns to divert away from reasonable public policy solutions.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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It will be painful. It will cause huge economic disruption. There will be a fall in living standards and severe inflation. But, it's time for US companies to pull out of China. The moral imperative to help China rise out of poverty through trade is done. They are no longer a poor country. Now we are compromising our values for something stupid ... for cheaper iPhones. Long term our Grandchildren will all be under the…

We need to fix the systems that allowed and made this decision in the first place or another stupid one will follow.

In some ways, and I know this will be unpopular, but is it free market capitalism that enabled the CCP to rise to such power? ie "You're freedom to choose cheap shit"?

I'm certainly not arguing for communism ourselves, but I mean, China didn't force us to move manufacturing there, won't it just happen again ?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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It will be painful. It will cause huge economic disruption. There will be a fall in living standards and severe inflation. But, it's time for US companies to pull out of China. The moral imperative to help China rise out of poverty through trade is done. They are no longer a poor country. Now we are compromising our values for something stupid ... for cheaper iPhones. Long term our Grandchildren will all be under the…

Are you implying everyone sent their factories to China to "help the Chinese out of poverty" and not to reap record profits based on basically slave labor?
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