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Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by andrewflnr »

Joeri wrote: post #396
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Counterpoint: facebook are going to add the classic chronological friends and family experience as a second tab “feeds”. In your analogy it would be like mcdonalds splitting down the middle, with the main entrance leading you to tacodonalds and a side door from that hallway leading you to the classic mcdonalds. Parents could send their kids to tacodonalds for a burger taco because that’s what the kids love, while nea…

If Facebook was into that kind of thing, we would still have a proper chronological feed.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by harshthedev »

0xCMP wrote: post #233
hiptobecubic wrote: post #140

I feel like half the comments here about "facebook dying" and how "facebook can't compete with tiktok" are missing the big picture about facebook. For a lot of people, facebook basically is the internet. The same way AOL was a long time ago. Everyone they want to talk to as they go about their day is there. Basically every business in the US that bothers with an online presence at all either has a facebook page or ex…

Maybe I am weird, but I never see the Facebook page of companies. It's always Instagram for non-tech/normal companies and groups and Twitter for more "online" or techy companies. For looking up a business it's always Google/Website, Yelp, and Instagram for me.

>Maybe I am weird, but I never see the Facebook page of companies.

I may be reaching too far here but maybe it is your adblocker? A lot of times companies use the "facebook page integration" thing in their websites which I think most adblockers (including mine) filter out.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by permo-w »

rightbyte wrote: post #385
caseyross wrote: post #145

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It really is weird, isn't it? To have what was essentially a solved problem 10 years ago become... what you described. On Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/LinkedIn, I still have tons of people I'd be interesting in passively keeping up with. Maybe even actively, sometimes. But all that latent sociality is increasingly just dead out of the gate, seeing as I no longer use any of those platforms regularly. My closest friends,…

Interesting take. Me and my friends also moved to group chats. Probably unconsciously to avoid the intrusion. I guess FB overextended by invading out feeds with ads and "recommendations" rather than gossip about friends.

I think "recommendations" are polarising rather than exclusively a (business) mistake. some people, like me, you and probably most of HN, see them as an intrusive waste of time and go out of their way to avoid them; however, I would imagine there is a very large slice of society that doesn't actively moderate how they spend their free time, or really question the things they're presented with online, to whom "recommendations" will have become a very engaging way to find new content and spend their time. that description isn't a euphemism for "stupid" either. I know plenty of intelligent people who scroll through a feed endlessly when they want a way to occupy their mind

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by geesejuggler »

prox wrote: post #330
petesergeant wrote: post #272

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> Facebook cares a great deal about its users--advertisers Anyone who's tried to use their advertiser tools is unlikely to agree with this. Hard to remember any software I've used with a worse user interface in recent memory.

I need to explain the user interface of Facebook to one of my clients but it would be a lot easier if the interface didn’t change every week and it didn’t had 4 points of contact for settings all in different places. I guess design by committee is at work here.

My guess is that (just like other big players) they have a team for each part/page/section of their platform. There is no cohesive product vision and no product principles (promises) to the users.

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Post by rswail »

ekianjo wrote: post #141
guelo wrote: post #123

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How do people without guns inside a government building control anything exactly?

By the force of their numbers occupying the seat of government and forcing the elected representatives and the chain of government (VP, Speaker, President of Senate) to be isolated.

No one knew whether or not the rioters were armed or not. Therefore, the assumption had to be that they were, or that there were those that were hidden in the crowd.

Until they were cleared from the Capitol buildings, they controlled the electoral process and disabled the counting of the electoral college votes. That delayed the part of the transfer of power between one POTUS and the next.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by mst »

starfallg wrote: post #391
b112 wrote: post #309

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Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac Your point is 100% valid, so don't consider this a disagreement. It is merely that McDonalds has changed, and it annoys me. I went to the one on El Camino near Oregon, and waited 7 minutes to have my order taken, and 14 minutes more for my food. Why? Doordash, and others. https://nypost.com/2022/02/14/doordash-to-penalize-mcdona…

The issues is that until the delivery business model runs into a brick wall (which IMO is inevitable), we'll see this continue. It's hard to blame them because being slow to disruption can be fatal to a business. It's just hard to tell at the beginning which disruptive ideas will end up taking over, and which ones end up as duds.

There is a local company (morecambeeats.co.uk) that was set up during the covid lockdowns to provide -just- centralised online ordering to local businesses that already had delivery drivers.

I first learned about them because I ordered a kebab on Just Eat and my order arrived with a flyer inside saying "please use them next time, they charge us less."

The site is honestly a bit janky and regularly annoys me slightly ... but only slightly, and I'm happy to deal with that to have all the revenue go to a local company and my favourite food places - and the cost is at worst identical to the venture capitalist subsidised companies and sometimes lower.

I have a possibly misplaced hope that they'll survive the collapse of the VC players. I intend to live in hope anyway though because (a) I much prefer my money to stay local (b) they're the easiest way I've found to order from the chinese place with the best prawn toast I've ever had.

If they disappear at some point I'm going to have to go back to phone calls and paying cash on delivery, and while I love the places I order from enough to do that if I have to I'd really rather not.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by notahacker »

Joeri wrote: post #396
SrslyJosh wrote: post #6

Nobody hates Facebook users more than Facebook, I guess. :-/ I've tried to type out several pithy comments, but the bottom line (to me) is that Facebook just doesn't respect its users or care about their needs. Can you imagine if brick-and-mortar businesses tried to do this? You go out for a Big Mac, but it's not on the menu anymore because Taco Bell had a few really good quarters, so McDonald's decided to pivot to t…

Counterpoint: facebook are going to add the classic chronological friends and family experience as a second tab “feeds”. In your analogy it would be like mcdonalds splitting down the middle, with the main entrance leading you to tacodonalds and a side door from that hallway leading you to the classic mcdonalds. Parents could send their kids to tacodonalds for a burger taco because that’s what the kids love, while nea…

Not to mention the fact that the feed itself wasn't part of Facebook's original proposition but was a controversial change introduced despite user protests, and the content of the feed today doesn't remotely resemble the content of the feed in 2006 which doesn't remotely resemble the content of the feed in 2009 or 2015

If McDonalds had been a pizza joint within the memories of much of its user base before introducing a Big Mac which was chicken one year and beef the next with constant tweaks to the sauces and vegetable content, I'm not sure the introduction of tacos would be that controversial.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by harshthedev »

weq wrote: post #217
hiptobecubic wrote: post #140

I feel like half the comments here about "facebook dying" and how "facebook can't compete with tiktok" are missing the big picture about facebook. For a lot of people, facebook basically is the internet. The same way AOL was a long time ago. Everyone they want to talk to as they go about their day is there. Basically every business in the US that bothers with an online presence at all either has a facebook page or ex…

No. Facebook DOES NOT OWN social networking. Facebook improved on an existing design at the right time, PERIOD! Now, as before, the world has moved on, and the bubble has burst. The laggards in 3rd world countries will flock to the next service to disrupt social media, just like before. Facebook innovated at a time when mobile phones were being delivered to these countries. Not because they were a superior service or…

>The laggards in 3rd world countries will flock to the next service to disrupt social media

Oh no man, a laggard from a 3rd world country has already reached HN. Maybe you should pack your bags now because the future of HN looks grim.

Re: Facebook's TikTok-like redesign marks sunset of social networking era

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Post by robryan »

zerocrates wrote: post #352
dsir wrote: post #165

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If you look at platforms like Twitch, Substack, and Patreon, I think it's pretty clear people are willing to entertain other models in large enough volume to support the livelihoods of the recipients. I do find it curious why there isn't a "paid" option from services like Facebook where you pay a monthly fee to essentially opt out of being their product opposed to user and not get targeted with ads. I guess in their…

Part of the basic issue with that kind of "opt out" system is that the users who will pay for no ads probably have more disposable income and are therefore desirable advertising targets. I believe I've heard it said that Hulu makes _more_ money per user on "with-ads" tier users than those that pay extra to remove the ads.

Seems to be working for YouTube, although their subscription is probably on the high end cost wise.
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