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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Data collection is passive. TikTok, for all intents and purposes, is run by the Chinese communist government. Facebook has already shown that they can alter moods:

https://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/06/28/326453204/fa...

It's a numbers game. They have ~80,000,000 Americans tuned in. They can turn knobs when they need to alter US public opinion. A subtle shift of 80,000,000 people is big.

Many people also get their news from TikTok:

> TikTok, on the other hand, has seen a slight uptick in the portion of users who say they regularly get news on the site, rising from 22% to 29% in this period.

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2021/09/20/news-consu...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by trasz »

Msw242 wrote: post #378
bilbo0s wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No top player. And many top players. MAD, as insane as it may sound, actually works. Everyone being fearful of massive retaliatory strikes keeps everyone in line. You get all sorts of bad behavior when nations have no fear of massive retaliatory strikes.

The world map has been mostly frozen the last few decades precisely because USA is the global hegemon and world police. Regional powers (which is what we would devolve to) are demonstrating exactly what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. We don't have an interest in solving for all the world's ills…

>what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds.

Meanwhile with America running the show: entire regions - South America and Middle East - largely destroyed, with tens of millions of victims.

America isn’t the “world police”, they are just the main bully.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

refurb wrote: post #385
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #305

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> the average US citizen would still be better off than the average Chinese citizen By what metrics? As an example, longevity is slightly higher in China than in US (77.30 years vs 77), it is GROWING in China while decreasing in US, or china has a transportation system that is orders of magnitude better than the US one. Ever heard of the high speed train system and how quickly was it built? Median income alone isn't…

You realize vast swaths of China’s population are pretty much rural farmers living of less than $5,000 per year right?

The poverty rate in US is ~14%, that's tens of millions of Americans living in poverty. Comparing incomes directly doesn't help, how much can $5k buy you in China vs how much can the poverty level income buy you in US?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by 2000UltraDeluxe »

hulitu wrote: post #278
pastage wrote: post #209

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Interesting! Is this allowed in GDPR? I would not think any of these points would be ok. You seem to argue that this is something "everyone does", that does not make it ok. I really thought we had gotten further in the privacy discussion.

If GDPR would be enforced, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and other will exit EU market. At the moment GDPR is a joke.

It is being enforced, albeit slowly. The Danish authorities pretty much just banned the use of Google Classroom in the EU -- it's one piece at the time and it takes a long time before people react, considering the decision was made based on the now two year-old Schrems II case.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by 4ggr0 »

diogenes_of_ak wrote: post #388
4ggr0 wrote: post #383

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If others wonder what this text says - All will be well soon - the world is changing fast, and there are opportunities to work anywhere you want. So long, and if you need help, send me a dm, I don't know what I can do, but I can try to help. Sorry about my bad Russian, I was taught by the boys when I lived in Ukraine on a high school exchange.

Sorry if other languages aren’t permissible. I can delete it if I need to.

I personally don't care and the rules don't forbid it. I wondered what you wrote, translated it online and thought I'd post it here to save others a few clicks :)

Avec la technologie actuelle, nous devrions pouvoir parler dans la langue de notre choix sans problème.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by honkdaddy »

627467 wrote: post #368
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

> this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. How were Snowden revelations of USG Bigtech relationship materially different from what's happening here? Maybe it was less transparent? Any "woke" person can see the cognitive dissonance here. It's all fine that you use the geopolitical rivalry argument but not if you try to paint one side of…

The notion which myself and others have problem with is that the US Federal Govt and the CCP are entities which we should be treating with a similar level of trust and care. The CCP has proven time and time again, be it from their refusal to cooperate with studying the source of COVID, or their continued systematic genocide of the Uighur population, that they are not a political institution which can be trusted or respected on the world stage.

This isn't to say that the USG should be admired or emulated, far from it, but as someone who's neither Chinese nor American, I think it's an objective truth that most people in the world fared better under 20th century American-hegemony than the worldwide Sinicization which the CCP has made clear is its aim.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by mbg721 »

Msw242 wrote: post #378
bilbo0s wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No top player. And many top players. MAD, as insane as it may sound, actually works. Everyone being fearful of massive retaliatory strikes keeps everyone in line. You get all sorts of bad behavior when nations have no fear of massive retaliatory strikes.

The world map has been mostly frozen the last few decades precisely because USA is the global hegemon and world police. Regional powers (which is what we would devolve to) are demonstrating exactly what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. We don't have an interest in solving for all the world's ills…

There are plenty of regional powers that aren't particularly violent or unstable; the traditional concern--regardless of whether it's true--isn't that the US itself would devolve into chaos, it's that by suddenly ceasing to be able to project force in other countries, it would leave power vacuums.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by kibwen »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

Hear hear. We don't need selective takedowns of foreign intelligence assets for the sake of scoring political brownie points, we need strong privacy laws that apply to every company, including domestic ones. Unfortunately, half of the users on this forum don't want to hear this because their paycheck depends on being complicit in the gross violation of individual privacy.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

RektBoy wrote: post #203
moomoo11 wrote: post #160

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Its exactly in line with what I said. End of the day, we're all on teams whether or not you like it. And every single country on this planet has baggage. I have people in my family who are living who remember what it feels like to be considered sub-human by British imperialists as they allowed famines. On the grand scheme of things, if we add up the sins and good deeds, the USA has done more to improve the lives of p…

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> EUropean here.

This is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Europe raped the rest of the world for nearly 500 years: the British Raj, the Belgian Congo, the Opium wars, the race for Africa, Apartheid are but a few examples.

Europe created modern chatel slavery.

Europe started the WWI and WWII.

Europe birthed Nazism and Communism.

Many of the problems we currently face are the result of European meddling: from the Sykes-Picot agreement, to Iran, to African civil wars.

The US has been a far more benign superpower than (collectively) Europe ever was.

UPDATE:

Even racism (scientific racism) is a European invention, mainly to justify why it was good for Europeans to subjugate the rest of the world.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Kaze404 »

blitz_skull wrote: post #387
bigDinosaur wrote: post #374

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'Whatever it needs' is fairly unambiguous language and including violence in that is not a particularly unpopular viewpoint in recent history.

“Whatever” is by definition ambiguous. It might include violence, sure, but when the comment specifically mentioned data and the actual content at hand several times, it can be pretty safely concluded that it doesn’t include violence.

I think it’s pretty safe to say that “whatever it needs” at the very least includes things the country is already doing, and violence is definitely in that list. Both internally and externally.
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