Almost 10 years ago we purchased a MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for approx 2K UK pounds. It's really surprising and disappointing that a decade later these same specs essentially cost the same!
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Apple unveils all-new MacBook Air, supercharged by the new M2 chip
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Re: Apple unveils all-new MacBook Air, supercharged by the new M2 chip
#402Finally, Apple has seen the light! This is going to be an instabuy for many, including me. This feels like 2012 when Apple introduced Retina displays: Everything that's good about Apple in a single package, and unavailable at any price anywhere else. The nitpicky in me will complain about the lack of a glass touchpad, but I feel Apple is justified in leaving it as a Pro feature.
Where did you catch that the trackpad was different than the Pros? My M1 Air has a glass trackpad.
I just checked and you are right, my M1 Air has a glass trackpad too. However, the trackpad on the 14" MBP is much smoother and more responsive; I thought it the difference was glass vs non-glass. It must be something else.
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple must've spent a fortune on marketing bamboozlement ("you don't need as much RAM with apple silicone") that even people on HN now seem to parrot it. NVME is around two orders of magnitude slower than DDR3 RAM, so as soon as your heap is tapped out you'll hit a performance wall. As I sit here and type this, my 10.15.7 Catalina desktop is sitting at 12.25Gb of used memory with 2 Edge tabs and an open Citrix sessio…
> NVME is around two orders of magnitude slower than DDR3 RAM, No. Dual channel DDR3 went up to about 18 GB/s read and 14 GB/s write. [1] The latest NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD are about 13 GB/s read and 12 GB/s write. [2] Apple SSD are about half that now, but most DDR3 users didn't have highest clocked dual channel RAM either. So roughly a factor of 2 or so at best, about a 50x difference compared to two orders of magnitude…
Ooooh good point - haven't actually heard of newest NVME stuff before.
The M1/M2 apple hardware specifically seems to be around an order of magnitude from what I've seen (ddr4x 60-70gb/sec vs 7gb/sec for the NVME or thereabouts).
The obvious observation here is that the fab yields for high memory apple silicone must not be all that great, which is why they're mostly shipping 8 and 16gb versions.
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#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
No it doesn't. It's essentially Air with just a few incremental upgrades, the same chip just with a few updates. It's a money grab. They will keep selling Air for $999 and pressure consumers into a higher price, as they typically do/and is their business mantra.
How is $1,200 for this a money grab? Lenovo X1 starts at $1,500 or so and really you can't get it going for https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadx1/t...
X1 is a Pro level device more comparable to MBP. Air is like a browsing the web laptop. It's in the class of laptops that should be $500. You are all so bedazzled by the hype machine that you don't even perceive how you are being fooled to pay a massive fee for EXTREMELY limited feature set of a laptop that's a class below. And Apple isn't even lying about that, Air is a hobby/not a pro level hardware. It's clear Air had more sales funnel than MBP and they wanted to tap into that money making funnel. Have fun with your 2 ports and single screen, and a phone like bezel with no FaceID LMAO. This is such a massive rip off lol, sorry to pour cold water on the hype, but that's just what it is.
Hell, they rewrote Google Work, hey, I'm Apple pay me $200 for rewriting software that has existed for 12 years already.
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#405And just like that, M1 is version last
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ya but it's the same amount. Wew my files load marginally faster, but I can only have 5 of them for the same money that I used to be able to have 10. That's like telling someone who can't get a new van with similar features for the same price to instead get a one wheel
It really doesn't matter what the underlying hardware is. If it responds to your input quicker, then it's a better product (remember how slow it was to fill that memory in the first place and then save your changes to disk?). That's not to forget the improvements in network speeds, the screen, the speakers, the battery life, the webcam, etc.
I actually disagree, but I take your point. A better product needs to make a real difference for the price. Right now, 16gb of ram costs $250 (cad) more than base model. 512gb ssd costs $250 more than base model. The likelihood I'd ever see those gains, compared to the likelihood I'd be able to use more storage, is wildly different. The product as a whole is better, but the individual upgrades you'd be absolutely limited by cost much more than they should. For example, a 1TB ~5GB/s read/write capable NVMe SSD off-the-shelf can be had for under $200. That's just a bit ridiculous. I'm not going to get the same utility between those two examples for the ~$4-500 price difference.
If I did have endless money, or my regular work was heavily IO bound, then it wouldn't change anything, except I'd be much more willing to ignore how much it costs.
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#407I hoped the notch would be just an experiment and Apple would get rid of it the next iteration. It seems I was wrong. It looks so weird to have your top menu bar split in two, I really don’t get why it is necessary.
I'm currently sitting at my notchless-MBP noting how there is not a single thing in the middle of my menu bar and there never has been. I can't think of a single reason I wouldn't want a notch in exchange for smaller bezels. Especially given the aspect ratio of a Mac is taller such that it doesn't interrupt typical video or photo content
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#408Cannot believe the updated base MBP has the old Touch Bar. Why can’t they give us back our function keys? EDIT: and is now the only laptop without MagSafe? There are more ports on the new MBA!
The 13" MacBook Pro is so strange.
It is identical to the M2 MacBook Air, except:
- Worse camera: 720p camera where the Air has a 1080p camera
- Worse speakers: stereo speakers where the Air has four-speakers (I'm assuming stereo is 2-speakers?)
- Bigger battery: 58.2 WHr vs 52.6 WHr (about a 2hr battery life difference)
- Slightly heavier: +0.3 lbs over the Air
- Slightly smaller screen: 13.3" vs the Air's 13.6", although this is probably due to the notch
- Has the touchbar
They are priced the same from what I can tell.
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#409Earlier quoted context omitted.
> NVME is around two orders of magnitude slower than DDR3 RAM, No. Dual channel DDR3 went up to about 18 GB/s read and 14 GB/s write. [1] The latest NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD are about 13 GB/s read and 12 GB/s write. [2] Apple SSD are about half that now, but most DDR3 users didn't have highest clocked dual channel RAM either. So roughly a factor of 2 or so at best, about a 50x difference compared to two orders of magnitude…
Ooooh good point - haven't actually heard of newest NVME stuff before. The M1/M2 apple hardware specifically seems to be around an order of magnitude from what I've seen (ddr4x 60-70gb/sec vs 7gb/sec for the NVME or thereabouts). The obvious observation here is that the fab yields for high memory apple silicone must not be all that great, which is why they're mostly shipping 8 and 16gb versions.
You just switched from DDR3, to the latest (few laptops offering that) DDR4x.
And even then it's barely one order of magnitude.
You were wrong, it's ok...welcome to the SSD future :-)
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#410Cannot believe the updated base MBP has the old Touch Bar. Why can’t they give us back our function keys? EDIT: and is now the only laptop without MagSafe? There are more ports on the new MBA!
They probably sell well.