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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by conradev »

philistine wrote: post #372
kibwen wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

This sounds like a thing that happened on the Intel ones. The M1 laptops have a large cooling overhead that would render the point moot.

One other difference is that the M1 MacBook Pros only have one port on the right side and two on the left now, which has been annoying a few times

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by shepherdjerred »

kibwen wrote: post #347
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/363337/how-to-find...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by torginus »

victor9000 wrote: post #313
nerdjon wrote: post #283

it is exciting to see an upgradeable laptop actually be upgradable. But I have to wonder what the market for this is? The primary use case I see for something like this is a gaming laptop, which this is just nowhere near being suitable for. Outside of that use case, for the vast majority of compute workloads is being able to upgrade really a need? I have 2 laptops (well technically 3 but I don't count my work one rea…

A few weeks ago I spilled an entire cup of sugary espresso on my framework laptop which completely ruined my keyboard by making it a sticky mess. You know what I did? I ordered a replacement keyboard kit for $99, installed it in ~5 minutes, and I haven't thought about it since. Some other part will fail in the future, or I'll spill another cup of coffee, and when that happens all I need to worry about is swapping out…

Can't you do the same thing with a Thinkpad?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by isolli »

guerby wrote: post #279
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Hi nrp I demo-ed my frame.work laptop yesterday to https://www.matinfo-esr.fr/ which is a single buyer entity for all french universities and public research institutes (once hardware is in their catalog it's click to order for universities without administrative hassle). They showed interest on the non obsolescence, durability and repairability aspect of frame.work since these features are part of their public servi…

Edited to add: nrp, I know this person and I vouch for them :) I'm confident that they could help you enter a sizable new market here in France.

Laurent, content de te revoir ! Et content de voir que tu te bats toujours pour les bonnes causes... Signe : un ex-collegue a la BNP ;)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by bcrosby95 »

rgrmrts wrote: post #41

I would buy a 15/16” version of this in a heartbeat :) I really hope another chassis with a larger screen is in the cards for framework!

Yeah, my 13" laptop just died on me, and it was just too uncomfortable for me to risk buying another 13" laptop.

The Ethernet port is a big bonus for me too. Oh wells.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by xchaotic »

I had a look and it looks like everything is upgraded- the chassis, the motherboard etc. So if you wanted to take advantage of all of the improvements you’d need to buy them all. At which point it might be less materially wasteful to but another, less recyclable laptop that uses fewer parts ?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by IshKebab »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #302
ddoolin wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely had no idea people still used those, or that they were still made with those.

It's one of those things that once you invest into the learning curve, you're a cultish convert (I certainly am one:)

What learning curve? Isn't it just a joystick mouse?

I think they were competitive with old touchpads (and probably the ones you still get on cheap laptops) but I expect all the people above praising them have just never used a modern Apple touchpad. Far superior. It's not even close.

There's a good reason nobody makes them anymore.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by riquito »

TillE wrote: post #353
reaperducer wrote: post #292

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A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

The EU means it would be entirely legal and tariff-free for a company in France to ship a product to Spain as-is, with minimal caveats. But that won't be a desirable product for most Spanish customers. The vast majority of that list has nothing to do with laws, but with physical requirements (keyboard and power plug), payments (not standardized beyond bank transfers), localization, and logistics.

I'd expect a cable C5 to Shucko to work everywhere in Europe (at worst you change the cable for preference to avoid an adapter)

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by happyopossum »

kibwen wrote: post #347
wollsmoth wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can basically do this with macs if you still use the usb-c charger. Even with the new ones they still charge through those ports on either side. But yeah, being able to swap those ports is great. I'm feeling the pain of having only 1 hdmi out on my laptop and the ability to just add one on sounds amazing.

Do Macs still favor charging via the USB-C ports on the right side? IIRC charging on the left caused overheating/throttling. I'd be interested to know if the Framework also favors a specific port for charging.

Not anymore. The latest Intel and all of the M1 based ones work fine from either side with no heat issues.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by mrtranscendence »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #302
ddoolin wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely had no idea people still used those, or that they were still made with those.

It's one of those things that once you invest into the learning curve, you're a cultish convert (I certainly am one:)

I've tried them, but they felt so clumsy to me that I don't see how I could ever be a convert. Trackpads, at least on Macs, feel precise and intuitive; I even use one on the desktop (unless I'm gaming).

I suppose a trackpoint might be useful if you really want your hands never to leave your keyboard, but generally I'm either editing text with emacs keybindings (where I don't have to use the mouse), or else I'm in a mode where having one hand off the keyboard doesn't feel at all hindering.

Maybe I could be convinced, but since they're hard to find these days and getting harder there wouldn't be much point (except to frustrate myself on the off chance I ended up loving them).

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