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Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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This is why we have preferred sources on you.com - and a special mode just for coding specific results: code.you.com, eg. https://code.you.com/search?q=onnxruntime+segfault those you would not necessarily find on .edu domains but it's a similar spirit. (you.com founder here)

refreshing layout! Those apps are time saver as I don't have to search across different sources by opening up multiple tabs for every query.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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The SEO spam exists in part because Google does a really bad job at surfacing any site that isn’t content heavy. This leads to sites needing to churn out keyword rich fluff content in order to get any organic traffic. I have first hand experience with this. My niche, hyper local online service (of which everyone loves) was completely undiscoverable through Google despite the niche having nearly zero relevant results…

What is a hyper local online service, like services for someone you closely relate to geographically or socially? Could you give an example?

By hyper local I mean something relevant to a small geographic region like a city or state.

To be clear, that aspect was mostly tangential to my point.

I think the point is Google is really bad at understanding web apps, online services, or really any site that isn’t information rich.

The majority of web apps for example only really need a landing page and a sign up form. But if that’s all you have Google’s algorithm is going to show zero interest. And it seems that’s the case even if you put in the work and optimize the content and provide plenty of meta data.

Imagine you own a pizza joint, but the only way Google shows your site to any of your potential customers is if you dedicate to publishing an article about pizza every month. That’s basically the boat a lot of us are in with web apps, and other online services.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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How come nobody is doing social search yet? Why can't I up and down vote results and maybe even comment on them or something? I don't want to ever see some of these recipe sites that show up again... I can't imagine I would if people were helping curate. Seems like an "easy" solution to SEO crapola?

Social search has been attempted so many times.

Google tried it in 2009, failed. Microsoft tried it in 2013, failed. Startups across the board have tried it.

I think it is because "social" usually implies to a user that they are searching for a person, not the content they create. And previously, there wasn't a ton of UGC that was relevant to a query.

Disclaimer: I'm a You.com employee working on search.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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I'm using Google less and less in favor of Youtube. It's not always convenient to get answers in video form, but I'm finding it's better for more involved answers. Also, google is just littered with Answers/Quora/StackOverflow/etc dodgy clones that make searching questions a nightmare.

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I've been paying for Youtube for a few years now, so I have no idea what the ad situation is.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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I'm using Google less and less in favor of Youtube. It's not always convenient to get answers in video form, but I'm finding it's better for more involved answers. Also, google is just littered with Answers/Quora/StackOverflow/etc dodgy clones that make searching questions a nightmare.

While I overall agree, I ironically find the search engine on YouTube to be somewhat limiting when I'm looking for specific and/or fresh things... For example, I wanted to watch a bunch of videos of Mark Zuckerberg speaking from before 2010 and the YouTube search engine only showed me a limited amount of things I had already watched— it even had unrelated suggestions below those results based on my viewing habits. So…

I've had good luck on this front, but I pay for Youtube, so the experience might be a little better.

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Yes I use that and site:reddit.com as well.

Yep, those are my two modifiers i often use -- that and since:2021

I want a comprehensive list of useful forums for every genre.

site:news.ycombinator.com reddit.com lwn.net servethehome.com head-fi.org doom9.org ....

Re: Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it

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Your expectations are too low. We all remember google in it's heyday when it returned honest results, so we know what's possible.

I wonder if google could even return to its heyday if it wanted. Even if they stopped playing dumb games with search there a alot more malicious actors whose entire career is to fuck up search results now.

I feel like low-quality advertising results, low-quality-match results, and scammy results are at least 3 different bad search result types to get, and folks here are talking about the former

of course, google gets paid to show them, and I don't think anyone here realistically expects google to voluntarily stop intentionally fucking up search results unless it somehow means a larger paycheck to them

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