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Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by georgia_peach »

dang wrote: post #398
georgia_peach wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That all seems very vague and arbitrary. Could you break down an example for me?

Your GP comment is written in the flamewar style: escalating, sensational, and indignant. That's the opposite of what we want on HN, particularly on divisive topics, as you'll see if you read the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Note these: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " " Please don't use Hacker News for political…

On the one hand, thank you for taking the time to respond.

On the other hand, I come here hoping for tech articles, and I'm pretty sure I only veer-off into ideological territory in response to other ideological comments/posts, which, for one reason or another, were not graced with a visit from the moderator.

Let me take these one-by-one:

Commenter called me a nutjob. That wasn't very "thoughtful or substantive," and was actually very flamewar-ey, yet he didn't get a dang visit. I responded politely, and here we are!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31384784

Commenter politely suggested Marxist economics. I politely suggested Bible economics. Where's mmastrac's dang visit?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31381302

Not ideology. Factual case of the Rolling Stone getting caught, red handed, recycling someone else's (false) story without verifying it. Pointing out that Gell-Mann Amnesia has progressed to full-blown Gell-Mann Dementia isn't ideology or flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31334684

The internet getting in the middle of a beef between total strangers. We have an entire legal tradition built upon this being a bad idea. Absolutely nothing "thoughful & substantive" in this tweet. If I'm curious about the bowels of windows terminal, I go to github, not twitter. If I was the first to flag it, shame on HN, not me.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31286305

Have you read that 2nd wikipedia page? This is also not an ideology post. It is a facts of life one. My dear country, like previous great civilizations of the western hemisphere, likes its human sacrifice rituals. This was not a pro or anti abortion post, since I lack a womb, and fence-sit on that particular subject. I was just pointing out that a diminution of one ritual will only be offset by the increase of another. The Florentine Codex has been beautifully translated into English.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31243595

I am just an old man trying to drop a little hard-won wisdom in the hope that it will save some of the younger people from a few scars. But it's your board. If you don't want that kind of wisdom, I'll just have to take it elsewhere.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

#402

Post by otterley »

curtisblaine wrote: post #370
badwolf wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When exactly have you been forced to list your pronouns?

At work you often are. For example, many top tech employers force you to add your pronouns on your mail signature.

Which employers, specifically? I work for AWS and they do not have such a requirement. Doing so is completely voluntary.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by zionic »

dang wrote: post #382
zionic wrote: post #150

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You turned this thread into a hellish flamewar in multiple places—like, at least 6 different places if I counted right. That's basically arson. We ban that sort of account. If you don't want to be banned, please review the guidelines and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Note these two, among others: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more…

I’m not done with you.

You (dang) attacked me and threatened me because I said people were “afraid” of free speech.

Meanwhile I have had multiple attacks claiming that, since I disagreed with their radical ideology, I was “afraid” of them.

Who are you, and why do you think you can act this way? Why do you think you can operate to shape the HN discourse with zero repercussions?

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by dang »

zionic wrote: post #403
dang wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You turned this thread into a hellish flamewar in multiple places—like, at least 6 different places if I counted right. That's basically arson. We ban that sort of account. If you don't want to be banned, please review the guidelines and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Note these two, among others: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more…

I’m not done with you. You (dang) attacked me and threatened me because I said people were “afraid” of free speech. Meanwhile I have had multiple attacks claiming that, since I disagreed with their radical ideology, I was “afraid” of them. Who are you, and why do you think you can act this way? Why do you think you can operate to shape the HN discourse with zero repercussions?

HN is a moderated/curated site and I'm one of the moderators. It's literally my job to do this and I would not be doing it otherwise.

You might be under a misimpression of what Hacker News is for. It's for thoughtful conversation about topics that gratify intellectual curiosity. Ideological flamewar is the opposite of that, so we don't want it here and we ban accounts that keep doing it. If you read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, you will hopefully get the idea.*

You can call that 'censorship' if you want to—people use that word in many different ways—but you should understand why we moderate HN the way we do. It's because we're trying to have a specific sort of forum. If we just let the default forces of the internet have their way with this place, it would quickly cease to be that sort of forum. Therefore our only choices are either (a) to moderate HN or (b) to abandon the site's mandate (of intellectual curiosity) - and we're not going to abandon the mandate.

Look at it this way: games need rules. If you're trying to play one game (say, chess) rather than another (say, football), you need to follow the rules of chess. Is it censorship that you're not allowed to tackle the opponent's bishop? or that you can't capture a piece by jumping over it, like you can in checkers? I wouldn't say so. In a similar way, we're trying to play a specific type of game on HN. It's not as well-defined as chess or checkers or football, but I think the analogy is still useful.

* There are also lots of past explanations at these links:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by dang »

georgia_peach wrote: post #401
dang wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your GP comment is written in the flamewar style: escalating, sensational, and indignant. That's the opposite of what we want on HN, particularly on divisive topics, as you'll see if you read the site guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Note these: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " " Please don't use Hacker News for political…

On the one hand, thank you for taking the time to respond. On the other hand, I come here hoping for tech articles, and I'm pretty sure I only veer-off into ideological territory in response to other ideological comments/posts, which, for one reason or another, were not graced with a visit from the moderator. Let me take these one-by-one: Commenter called me a nutjob. That wasn't very "thoughtful or substantive," and…

I hear that your intention is share your hard-won wisdom, but what is shared has to actually be received—otherwise no actual sharing has occurred. You have to complete the pass.

For people to receive your wisdom, you need to go about sharing it in a different way. Arguing culture-war points is guaranteed only to excite anger and the opposite culture-war points in others. Zero sharing occurs when that happens.

In any case, HN has rules about this sort of thing and we need you to follow the rules if you want to keep posting here. Above all, that means using the site for intellectual curiosity, not flamewar (ideological, political, cultural, or any other kind of flamewar). If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by robonerd »

pseudalopex wrote: post #303
robonerd wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mental illness probably isn't the right word for it, but hydrophobia is indisputably a disease of the brain. The virus travels from the bite wound up your CNS; when it reaches your brain you die in agony.

Mental illness isn't the right word for it. And hydrophobia is a symptom of a brain disease more accurately.

Hydrophobia is a common (albeit bit archaic?) name for the disease generally, inspired by the symptom.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by skelpie_6000 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #400
rendall wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think GP believes that race and orientation is mutable, and so agrees that gender identity is, as well. At least, it's how I read that.

> I think GP believes that race and orientation is mutable Not particularly. Race and gender are social constructs, and ones identity (and orientation, in the latter case) with regard to either is formed early – and, once formed, immutable or nearly so – as a product of innate traits interacting with socialization around the construct. (The fact that gender identity can diverge from socially ascribed gender, resultin…

I'll reiterate my previous comment then: the existence of detransitioners proves that gender identity is mutable.

From reading the accounts of detransitioners, gender identity seems to be more like a political or religious belief than anything else - often stable for long periods of time, but given the right circumstances, can be changed.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by wly_cdgr »

manicdee wrote: post #392
wly_cdgr wrote: post #22

Fair enough. Seems pretty reasonable to expect your employees to be willing to work on what you ask them to work on, given that you're paying them and they voluntarily signed up to work for you. And as people who were able to get a job at Netflix, they surely had other options.

I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to hire someone to help produce documentaries and then expect them to produce “ow my balls”. I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to hire someone to produce web sites in Flask/Vuex and then expect them to dedicate themselves to maintaining your PHP legacy systems.

Are those things that specific people were actually promised in an explicit, demonstrable way when they were hired? It sounds like the kind of thing that people like to convince themselves they were promised because that's what they hoped and wanted to be true

Also, there's nothing in the article about this? - all the article talks about is some Netflix employees being upset that management didn't obey their wishes and pull Chapelle's special.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by h3cate »

nautilius wrote: post #386
h3cate wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment, like speech in general I admit, doesn't tell the whole truth. "Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live." This isn't true as they are asking that comedians to not make jokes about them. Dave Chapelle nor any comedian that I know of go around saying trans people should not be allowed to live. Or have I missed something?

Shifting goalposts, are we, after your 'clearly' comment did not even contain a grain of truth about what OP posted? And yes, you are missing something. Go ahead and watch Chapelle. The issue isn't that he makes a joke about trans people. Sure, I'd assume people in general may not like having jokes made at their expense, but that's not the issue. The issue is that Chapelle dedicates a whole special to argue that thei…

Ricky Gervais does a whole special taking the mick out of Christianity. Do you also think he shouldn't be allowed to do that?

Or is it only trans people you don't think people should be able to joke about?

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Post by pseudalopex »

robonerd wrote: post #406
pseudalopex wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mental illness isn't the right word for it. And hydrophobia is a symptom of a brain disease more accurately.

Hydrophobia is a common (albeit bit archaic?) name for the disease generally, inspired by the symptom.

That definition is more than a bit archaic.
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