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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by School-Cotton »

causalmodels wrote: post #248
filoleg wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mentally cannot process "Latinx" to be pronounced as anything but "Lah-tinks". I am prepared to be fully shafted if I ever have to say that word outloud at work, because people seem to visibly cringe when they hear it pronounced this way.

I find “Latinx” to be so unbelievably stupid because the English “x” sound doesn’t exist in Spanish. Rather than using the gender neutral form “latine”, some moron decided we should start injecting Anglo idioms into the Spanish language

Latinx is used almost exclusively by English speakers. One doesn't have to actually speak Spanish fluently to identify as Latino or Latinx in the US.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by nicbou »

monkeybutton wrote: post #229
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #61

> Cutting phrases like “whitelist/blacklist” and “master/slave” out of our vocabulary not only addresses years of habitual bias in tech terminology, but forces us as writers and researchers to be more creative with the way we describe things. > calling landlords “property owners” is almost worse than calling them “landchads,” and half as accurate. It’s catering to people like Howard Schultz who would prefer you not c…

Why not use proprietor?

Perhaps it's a very specific answer, but I write in simple English, since many of my readers are not native speakers. I stick to words people are likely to understand.

Our local immigration office recently picked a newer, better name, but since no one uses it, I'm sticking to the old one.

Another one is expat vs immigrant. I favor immigrant, but I can't rename expat insurance to immigrant insurance. The latter does not exist.

I use the gender-neutral "they" across the website, but sometimes "he" would be a lot clearer when replacing a singular noun like "the landlord".

Sometimes the common word is the right word to use. When in doubt, I refer to Google Trends.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by _Algernon_ »

fareesh wrote: post #249

Controversial suggestion but can the California folks just do their own bay area version of products? The rest of us around the world never asked for any of this weirdness Will it suggest "peace be upon him" in Islamic countries next? If not, why not? At least that's an actual religion unlike whatever this weirdness is. How is it inclusive to export this thinking to places that don't want it? Words are really just wo…

>and neither did my ancestors

Considering the number of ancestors in your past, this is highly unlikely for any human being alive today.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by School-Cotton »

burnished wrote: post #271
mgraczyk wrote: post #99

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That is not allowed (for good reason) and I don't want to get fired, if you work at Google you can ping me and I can send it to you.

What is that good reason? The only thing I can come up with is "don't release internal documents", which is a blanket reason and not what I'd consider compelling, but I suspect I'm having a failure of imagination

Practically no big company would allow you to post internal documents on Hacker News. Why isn't that a good reason?

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by dane-pgp »

fareesh wrote: post #249

Controversial suggestion but can the California folks just do their own bay area version of products? The rest of us around the world never asked for any of this weirdness Will it suggest "peace be upon him" in Islamic countries next? If not, why not? At least that's an actual religion unlike whatever this weirdness is. How is it inclusive to export this thinking to places that don't want it? Words are really just wo…

> Words are really just words.

But they're not though. Words are products of, and inputs into, people's culture and modes of thought.

Which is exactly why giving this much global power to one unelected politically extreme group of people is so dangerous.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by nicbou »

vorpalhex wrote: post #372
cj wrote: post #342

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You could look at Grammarly ($10+ billion dollar valuation) as evidence that there is a market for a tool/plugin that improves a user’s prose.

Being told I use too many adjectives, my word choice is too heavy for my audience or that I used too many clauses is useful. Being passive-aggressively told "blacklist" is a no-no word is not. If you were really clever, you'd let the user set a "sensitivity" level for the writing from "normal human speak" to "corporate PR approved".

It depends on who you write for. As a non-native, non-American speaker, I'd be happy to know if I'm accidentally offending the people I'm writing to.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by School-Cotton »

ehsankia wrote: post #396
vorpalhex wrote: post #368

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Why not use Landlord, a word everyone understands?

Here's the definition of landlord I see > A landlord is the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land, or real estate which is rented or leased to an individual or business How is that different from "property owner"? The difference is that to you, a native English speaker, landlord is a word you're familiar with. To others, it's a whole new word they need to learn, whereas property-owner is self-descriptive. It…

> How is that different from "property owner"?

They mean different things: one is a subset of the other. A person who owns their own home that they live in is a property owner, but not a landlord.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by slig »

vimy wrote: post #204
mgraczyk wrote: post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

This is why I’m pessimistic about the West winning the second cold war. While Chinese engineers are working hard on world dominating AI models and other hard tech, Western engineers are wasting man hours on crap like this.

>wasting man hours

People hours

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