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Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by dnissley »

faeriechangling wrote: post #388
dnissley wrote: post #208

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I mainly just look at text all day, so the "slow" transitions between different bits of text just don't matter all that much to me. Resolution helps that text look nice and crisp though, which I really do appreciate.

If you look at text specifically all day than high refresh rate is especially useful since you will be scrolling a lot.

I don't think I'm reading the text while it's scrolling... But maybe I am more than I realize? I actually think I'm more looking at the shape of the text when it's scrolling rather than the actual text itself.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by BoorishBears »

jimrandomh wrote: post #374
BoorishBears wrote: post #346

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Ok... but then you have significantly worse pixel density than a 5k monitor. There's no way to have your cake and eat it too on this, either you'll have worse pixel density, or you'll need a very unnatural setup.

8k/65in has the same pixel density as a 4k/32.5in, which is mid-range as computer monitors go. 16k would be nice if that was possible to buy, but this pixel density is good enough for my purposes.

4k/32" might as well be 1440p compared to 5k/27"

You talking to someone who upgraded from a 4k/32" equivalent ("5k" 40" ultrawide) to the XDR just for the pixel density increase, and it's no contest at all: even the most casual PC user would immediately appreciate the bump.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by mekster »

jjcm wrote: post #98

Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

No HDR, no ProMotion (bad naming for googleability), no Face ID and it's priced as if they're all there.

This is some alpha state product which only people who are high are going to buy.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by mekster »

adam_arthur wrote: post #148
jimrandomh wrote: post #110

It's kind of ridiculous how slow the progress in screen resolutions has been. It's disappointing that Apple is only going for 5k, not 8k; they're well positioned to fix the ecosystem and bring high-resolution large displays to everyone, if only they tried. I'm finally sitting in front of an 8k 65" screen. This gives me a nice combination of decent picel density in the center and lots of peripheral vision in which to…

I'm more annoyed by slow progress in refresh rates. Resolutions have progressed pretty nicely IMO, but the top end monitors from Dell, Apple etc still all running at 60hz. Also feel like 27 inches is pretty small these days, for high productivity type of work. Wish Apple went for a 34 inch

I don't want to keep moving my head to see the entire 34inch. Work is best with 27inch. Fullscreen app barely makes sense for screens larger.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by mekster »

adrianmsmith wrote: post #28

Would be nice to have >5K resolutions to have more pixel density. Alas, macOS doesn't support any native scaling other than 100% and 200%. So if they did release e.g. a 27" 8K monitor, the text would either be too small, or they'd have to use bitmap scaling to make it bigger in which case there'd be no advantage of having an 8K monitor. (EDIT: To clarify, all other scaling factors are done by rendering at either 100%…

Seriously, who needs 8k?

For textual work, 4k is crisp enough, for gaming you can't run 8k with 120Hz as it's way too demanding and there are no content that dense, for movies or TV there are barely any content for 8k and maybe it's just for photo editors.

Having 120Hz for all the display's baseline is far more important than going beyond 4k.

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Post by mekster »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #95

$1599 isn't quite as bad as I expected, actually. I've still got my old 27" Apple Thunderbolt Display (a puny 2560 by 1440 pixels), which i use daily. (The convenience of built-in video/mic/USB hub, with one cable, is indispensible and more important to me than resolution, and it's been really unclear to me what else could do that with a macbook). But might be ready to upgrade to this guy.

> $1599 isn't quite as bad as I expected, actually.

Only if you try not to look at other vendors. It doesn't offer anything fancy except the fancy pricing.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by mekster »

ericmay wrote: post #48

Unfortunately I bought an LG 4k display from Apple last year (or was it the year before?) for home office work so it'll be a tough sell to buy something new, but this solves a couple of my problems with my home office setup, namely having to put in headphones with a mic for every video call since I use my Mac in clamshell mode, and having an external webcam mounted on my monitor. This is very close to "one cable to r…

I never understand why anyone would use MacBook in clamshell mode.

You're wasting the very good parts that are trackpad, cam, mic and as a secondary monitor.

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Post by bradlys »

thirdsun wrote: post #394
bradlys wrote: post #200

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Is this not quite niche? What about the environmental impact of adding extra ports that no one is going to use?

> Is this not quite niche? Having more than one device connected to a display? I think that's rather common and I'd expect multiple inputs on a display from any price range.

Honestly - I think it's pretty niche. I get that on HN - everyone will chime in and say it's frequent but I've seen thousands of monitors in my day... and all of them were connected to just one device and never more than one device.

Yes - sometimes things get connected to multiple devices but again - it's a niche.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Post by maximus-decimus »

astrange wrote: post #363
aseipp wrote: post #340

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Meaningless comparison. You also can't run most VR games at anything less than 90-120fps without introducing motion sickness in the user. So what does that say about "usability" of 60fps on a monitor? Nothing. You can't compare two visual mediums directly by the number of "frames per second". Camera lenses introduce blur through the use of the shudder, which acts as a form of "interpolation" and smooths out the image…

TVs have techniques to deal with this, either motion smoothing[1] or black frame insertion. PC displays can't do the first for latency reasons but I think BFI is just down to expense, or because we don't have OLED/mini-LED displays yet. [1] it's not as bad as you think

All the tv frame interpolation I've seen is so bad. The Smooth Video Project gives such better results in my experience.
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