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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by lordnacho »

car_analogy wrote: post #335
jmull wrote: post #311

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Fortunately, in the US, we have the first amendment as a shield against authoritarians who would dictate the content we see.

Against government authoritarians. You have no shield against private oligopolies.

Really? What's the difference? It's not whether it's public or private making the decisions (they are both considering the amount spent in lobbying), it's the degree of control you ought to worry about.

There needs to be an actual free market where people have a realistic set of alternatives.

Pointing out public versus private is IMO misidentifying the problem.

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Post by russellbeattie »

If you've got a better way to stop the spread of malicious lies and misinformation, please share with the class!

If you're Republican, conservative or "libertarian" (riiiight), you need to be quiet and go sit in the corner while the rest of us decide what to do with you.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by maccam94 »

bko wrote: post #381
rootusrootus wrote: post #350

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> get together That's probably the moment they could face regulation. Individually, it's their platform to choose what they want to host or not.

Do you think it was weird that when a damning article about a presidential candidate's son came out a few weeks before the election, every single media company and social network decided at the same exact time not to cover the story? Even so much as censoring the one paper that carried it and on private messages between people? Twitter, Facebook, NY Times, NPR and others. The former guy got banned on all the services…

No, it's not weird at all that the mainstream media wouldn't publish such a story without multiple sources right before an election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by rootusrootus »

mythrwy wrote: post #226
flyingcircus3 wrote: post #70

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What is the falsifiable hypothesis of the stolen election? There's nothing coherent about an ever evolving list of grievances. I'm convinced this is by design. If there were a sound theory, it could be disproven. But if its just a nebulous collection of disjointed complaints, the wound can stay open forever, which is the actual goal.

Lack of signature matching, mail in ballots with little to no oversight, removing poll watchers from one party and video of ballot harvesting are all things that happened. It doesn't "prove" a stolen election but it does raise suspicions.

Signature matching doesn't really change anything, though. At best, that would allow someone to vote on behalf of someone else, but there is still one ballot per voter. And pretty quickly I'd expect it to make the news when people complain that their vote got rejected because the state says they voted already.

The "ballot harvesting" video was debunked thoroughly in a matter of hours after it was released.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by dgellow »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #362
ehsankia wrote: post #359

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Every single day on HN, people mix up giving someone a platform to censoring someone. Social platforms are megaphones. Up until a decade ago, it was impossible for nearly everyone to reach out a large audience, especially worldwide. Nowadays, anyone can make a video accessible by billions of people with a single click. If people banned from that is "censorship", then by that definition the whole world was censored 2…

But is taking away the megaphone the same as silencing them? When everyone has a megaphone, those who don't are not heard.

And that’s fine. Not everybody can or has to be heard by everybody else. There no such as a thing as an expectation to be heard by others.

That becomes more problematic and debatable once infrastructure companies such as a DNS provider or a hosting company refuses to deal with some content given that you remove the ability to create your own soapbox.

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Post by user3939382 »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #21

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If China backed a violent overthrow of the Canadian government to install a pro-Chinese leader, and then was working on installing nukes in Canada while selling them weapons, what do you think the US would do?

John Mearsheimer is one of the few voices trying to shield us from the risk of a nuclear war that the arms and energy industries are happy to encourage for their own bottom lines. You are being fed propaganda, but it's not from John Mearsheimer.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by rootusrootus »

iconjack wrote: post #348
fineIllregister wrote: post #97

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Clinton conceded the day after the election, filed zero law suits contesting it, and told her supporters to accept the outcome. She raised specific complaints regarding the process, but never suggested that they invalidated the results.

She has claimed for 5 years (and still going) that Trump is an illegitimate president. Here is a recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSTyHYiLtRY .

At least she conceded. Has Trump done that yet?

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Post by justnotworthit »

Thorentis wrote: post #112

This is what "private companies can do what they like" results in.

What? No. Since Biden's election, Google is under immense pressure from the government to censor.

https://rumble.com/vtyr34-democrats-are-pressuring-companies...

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Post by base698 »

incompatible wrote: post #325
atlantas wrote: post #296

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Confession: I only just realized over the past few years. I had always thought that authoritarians were a right phenomenon.

It depends how you see "left" and "right". I see the left as promoting equality, and generally freedom, and the right justifying or increasing inequality. An authoritarian system by definition gives far more power to some people than others, which is an idea of the right. However, systems of government in practice are generally not strictly left or right, and you get the likes of the Soviet Union which gave some degr…

Chaos and order is another scale for left and right.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Post by [deleted] »

DoctorOW wrote: post #341
jasonfarnon wrote: post #334

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What about the very subject of this thread? Not a view worth keeping around?

That's not been eliminated. Quite a few people believe the election was stolen. Also, it's not a view worth keeping around. There's no evidence to support it and it's just used to justify violence and division.

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