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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by temac »

moogly wrote: post #93

A few months ago, I had a non-feature update to my laptop running Windows 10 Pro (OEM) kick me to an OOBE-looking "finish setting up your computer" screen where the only way I was able to move forward and log on was to add an online account. Believe me, I spent an hour trying various things, and googling like a madman but I didn't manage to get around it. So I did it with a temporary email address. Then I removed the…

I think I saw that happening too, but a few years ago. Although looks weird for a non-feature update.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by judge2020 »

vjust wrote: post #70

Dialing up the annoyance level to a 11. Microsoft has spent the last 6 years or more glacially gravitating its OS-developer features towards Ubuntu. Because they couldn't do better - VSCode being the one crowning glory - and not an insignificant one. The side annoyances of a barely functional Cortana & Edge, were things I looked past, now add one more, a required account - we'll be led into unknown realms of integrat…

> and not an insignificant one.

And it's all due to how Code is both open-source in spirit and in truth, and aren't beholden to silly sales targets. You can see what this sort of thing does to a project when the Visual Studio 2022 team tried to move `dotnet watch` HMR functionality to Visual Studio 2022[0] instead of leaving it in VS Code.

0: https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/pull/22217

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by temac »

jyrkesh wrote: post #337
dustinmoris wrote: post #182

Apple: You can use Apple ID voluntarily to sync all your settings and data across macOS, iOS on iPhones, iOS on iPads, watchOS and Apple TV. Microsoft: We have no tablets, watches and not even a phone. You just have a PC and we force you to use a Microsoft account so you can sync all your data with our marketing and sales department and the government if need to be.

I'm signed into an Apple ID on my one Mac machine so that I can use the App Store and to use iMessage/FaceTime despite my lack of an iPhone. I unchecked all the iCloud stuff as fast as I could because I wasn't prompted after adding the Apple ID on what I wanted to add, and there's no clear "Turn off iCloud" button. Updated to Monterey, and suddenly 3 or 4 of the iCloud items were checked. Maybe there was something bu…

I'm on Monterey with a local account and have never signed into iCloud, although I'm signed into the app store with an Apple Id.

I just checked in Preference and under Apple Id it shows: iCloud -not signed in- Media & Purchases -email_of_apple_id_account-

(also it nags you with a persistant notification on the Apple Id icon in Preferences root, and a "start using iCloud" link too, but for now I can vaguely tolerate that)

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by nyanpasu64 »

plushpuffin wrote: post #245
colordrops wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These morons at MS decided to force a very confusing and friction-ful Minecraft account migration from Mojang to MS just as all the kids are migrating from Minecraft to Roblox. I'm sure this is only accelerating Minecraft's demise.

Also, if you have multiple Minecraft accounts, the official launcher is much slower to switch between them than it used to be with the old Mojang accounts. It was so annoying that I finally bit the bullet and switched to the MultiMC launcher, even though it's really frustrating getting the various plugins like Optifine working with it every time the game updates.

What's the problem with MultiMC? That all plugins are lost when you move from 1.18 to 1.18.1? I sometimes workaround that by symlinking the plugin/world/screenshot/settings folders together, but occasionally plugins are incompatible between patch versions.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by hrrsn »

rashil2000 wrote: post #180
Egoist wrote: post #51

“The changes will mirror the same requirements Microsoft originally added to Windows 11 Home last year, meaning you won’t be able to avoid Microsoft Accounts by creating a local user account during setup.” If I remember correctly, when you install Win11 Home, it forces you to login with a Microsoft account. But the easy workaround is to unplug the ethernet cable, windows will realize it can’t connect and the local ac…

There are so many (and so simple) workarounds that it almost feels intentional. My favourite one is typing "a@a.com" as email, literally anything as password, and this will throw an error and viola, prompt you to create a local account. Been using this in the latest Windows 11 Dev builds, no MSA required. Even Microsoft Store works without MSA!

Have they removed the "Domain Join instead" option?

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by alwaysanon »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #306
mrmuagi wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it was a local account then I imagine both would have been much harder. Suprisingly I needed to hack into an old admin account password on a laptop (that I setup on a family member's laptop) and it was suprisingly easy. After installing some software on a USB stick and choosing it as a boot device I was able to bypass the login password completely. Forgot the name of the software I used -- but there are literall…

Every single Linux live USB can access the underlying partitions freely. Or if you prefer, you can instead use it to remove the local password and reboot onto an unlocked OS.

I should have mentioned she lives 2.5 hrs away. I am sure I could have done it if it was local and I'd have driven there (I've run Fedora for ages on a laptop focused on containers as one of my machines so know my way around things) - but in this case it was as easy as going through the Microsoft Account password reset process. And I was able to mostly just point her at that/MS rather than need to do anything myself - which was nice.

Also my subsequent experience with the Bitlocker recovery key is that the machine is encrypted so I may have stuggled with mounting it from a Linux LiveCD and using the tools you describe. I doubt she turned this on herself so maybe the vendor (Lenovo) did?

I also think they are now turning Bitlocker on by default on all Windows 11 installs as well (it is why they want the TPMs as a requirement). Which is likely part of the reason they are now forcing this issue a bit so as not to have people all over with bricked machines and data loss if they can't recover the key. If you are AD joined it puts the recovery key on the computer account in AD - but for these home users they don't have that benefit and the cloud is a good place for it.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by marcosdumay »

vel0city wrote: post #296
marcosdumay wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier Only if you use the same account on both computers. What means the GP will have to use his work account on his personal computer just to jump into another machine.

I'm confused about your hypothetical. Why would they have to do that? Could you explain that issue more?

RDPing from a user in one domain into a computer with a user in another domain seems to be very broken.

So, the OP is either having problems using a cloud user RDPing into a domain, or connecting his computer into the work's domain and using the same user all the way.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by bitwize »

polotics wrote: post #136

Never again windows with Microsoft accounts. I have two windows 10 licenses, one home and one pro. I made the mistake of associating the licenses to my Microsoft account and now there is no way to move the pro license from the old PC to the new one. The Microsoft support site is a complete joke of unpaid chatterers that send you on wild goose chase, the web is full of SEO bullshit site that keyword-dance around the i…

Congratulations, you've just created an IT nightmare. By forgoing the easy configurability of Outlook, Exchange, and Active Directory, you've added an untold amount to the TCO of your laptop fleet and IT infrastructure! You've also created problems down the line as it's more difficult to procure endpoint security and whitelisting solutions for Linux than for Mac or Windows. There's a reason why enterprises choose Microsoft time and time again: it works, it's easy to configure and administer at scale.

Do you know why Warren Buffett's company is called Berkshire Hathaway and not, say, Buffett Holdings? Berkshire Hathaway was a textile company Buffett had invested in, whose CEO pissed him off so completely that he bought the entire company just to fire that CEO. It's a decision he regrets because the money he used to buy Berkshire could have been used to invest in profitable insurance companies. Untold billions left on the table.

Moral: Don't make critical business decisions while assmad.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by OscarCunningham »

idiotsecant wrote: post #181
OscarCunningham wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have promised they'll fix this for the Steam Deck, so there's a chance this will change in the next week.

Is steam deck supposed to release next week?

Yes, February 25th.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by rd07 »

amanzi wrote: post #344
stjohnswarts wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might get downvoted, but I like windows as an OS. I used it for years and it was pretty stable and easy to modify. Now that they are going the way of Google they really have nothing to keep me. Linux has been my main OS for years anyway. Windows I used for office, adobe products, and games. I guess I'll just keep a network gapped VM around for those on my linux and buy some extra memory to handle the VM.

Most of my work life has been focused on Microsoft products, so I've been using Windows for a long time as my primary OS. I upgraded to Windows 11 as soon as I could and despite me creating a local account initially, I then linked it to a Microsoft Account which has caused me no end of pain. There have been lots of other niggly issues with Windows 11 that I've been living with, e.g. I prefer having my taskbar on the…

You might want to try WinApps or something similar to run your MS Office in Linux. I haven't try it myself, but it seems a nice way to run Windows apps in Linux.
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