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SpaceX’s monstrous, dirt-cheap Starship may transform space travel

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And they’re targeting building 2-4 of them per day . https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/14139104042465239...

Why? I mean, if the Starship is reusable, and they're producing enough engines to build 2-4 a month, that seems like overkill. How many Starships are even needed?

Starship _will_ be reusable. It will probably be a while until that's reliable so they'll burn through a bunch of engines pretty quickly until then.

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They will need a lot of CGI graphics of the starship flying through the space, cuz this project will never take off anywhere near what Musk is promising. It sounds like I am overly negative but if you push the hype aside and let only facts speak for themselves: Orbital refueling - no technical details, just cgi images crew capacity - no details ship layout - no details stage 0 launch platform - no details life suppor…

> They will need a lot of CGI graphics of the starship flying through the space, SpaceX in its whole history has shown very, very little CGI. Specially compared to many other traditional rocket companies. > Orbital refueling - no technical details, just cgi images We know for a fact that NASA was very, very impressed with SpaceX work on orbital refueling. In their bid for the moon mission they got a special shout out…

This thing reads like a victim of a Stockholm syndrome.

No I have a better example, this reads exactly like defenders of Nikola Semi- truck, before they were busted for having nothing but a shell of a truck rolling down the hill.

I could but I am not going to waste time. Sweet dreams.

edit: reading back your comments... Is that you Elon? Shouldn't you be working on rockets or something?

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Why? I mean, if the Starship is reusable, and they're producing enough engines to build 2-4 a month, that seems like overkill. How many Starships are even needed?

Elon wants >1,000 Starships due to the Mars launch window, every 2 years. He wants to get a million+ tons of stuff there quickly. At 100T per Starship, and 1,000 starships, it would take at least 20 years to get 1M tons there. Source for 1M Ton Target: https://www.space.com/elon-musk-spacex-starship-update-orbit...

So, Starship will be really cheap because they are reusable. Also, Starship will commit a larger fleet than all the planes that Boeing and Airbus combined make in a year to a more two decade long mission.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it does mean SpaceX will really have to scale up. Where is that capital going to come from? I'm not even sure even with all of Musk's personal assets and selling out on launches they'll get there for decades.

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She is not really unsong at all. She is very, very recognized in the industry and everybody that is seriously interested in space travel knows here. She has been on my list of influential woman and given many talks and speeches all over the place. Of course she is not Musk famous, but nobody is. People who hate Musk sometimes try to claim all SpaceX is because of her. That is certainty wrong and she herself would not…

It's most strange to me, and I am not saying this applies to you, that one can have legit concerns about Musk and they are simply dismissed as "hate" by so many. Why some refuse to hold him responsible for his statements is just weird.

What statements are you wanting to hold him responsible for?

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The person thinks it's fraud because they watched videos by a propagandist who goes by the name "common sense skeptic" who makes videos that sound a lot like the people who make videos about flat earth. I say this as they quote all the same talking points of that person.

Honestly, I don't know what to think of a CEO, who publicly puts her authority behind a video suggesting that doing anything off the open coast line of Zürich may be a viable business proposition. (It's a bit like selling a technology driven by the glaciers of New Mexico.)

Almost like someone who would think that they could do something that whole countries haven't been able to do in 60+ years?

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From what I can tell Musk is literally a founder of SpaceX. I know he was a dick to the founders of Tesla, and he deserves shit for that, but it is a fact that Tesla has come very far since then under his leadership, and any claim that the founders would have done better is pure speculation. And of course the teams at these companies deserve credit, which he consistently admits. People who are obsessed with tearing d…

Good points. I was only talking about Tesla. What I was trying to get across is that a founder's own value system and motivations of why a founder is doing a thing are an important factor for the longevity of a company. To me it appears that Musk is only in it for himself and his legacy. Eventually this will become more apparent and the loyalty and followership he's enjoying will drop. He's more of a hypeman than a t…

Is there a way to save comments so I can come back and laugh at them when I'm feeling down?

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"The above state of affairs isn't a coincidence, but a very deliberate part of Musk's plan." To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first, and call whatever you hit the target

Musk has been talking about Mars since SpaceX's infancy.

Correct. Musk has not kept a secret of what his ultimate goals are. Both Tesla and SpaceX have had the plans on their websites for decades.

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Good points. I was only talking about Tesla. What I was trying to get across is that a founder's own value system and motivations of why a founder is doing a thing are an important factor for the longevity of a company. To me it appears that Musk is only in it for himself and his legacy. Eventually this will become more apparent and the loyalty and followership he's enjoying will drop. He's more of a hypeman than a t…

Is there a way to save comments so I can come back and laugh at them when I'm feeling down?

Just hit on the upvote button and then you can find them in your upvoted comments list ;)

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Really? In 5 years ROCKETS will be as safe as airplanes? And as cheap? And possible to fly over cities etc (talking about Shotwells promises here)? You really think this?

I hate framing it this way but your passionate hating has me doing it - do you build rockets? Or cars? What exactly do you do that gives you such certainty in bringing down these people who have already achieved so much? Their "dream big" mentality is sorely lacking in a society full of cynical, dead eyed and uncreative drones focused on nothing but financing their own survival or excesses. Applaud it, don't try to b…

Thank you! Push back against the tide of unrelenting cynicism :)

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It's most strange to me, and I am not saying this applies to you, that one can have legit concerns about Musk and they are simply dismissed as "hate" by so many. Why some refuse to hold him responsible for his statements is just weird.

What statements are you wanting to hold him responsible for?

Any statement that history has shown keeps being repeated with very little factual support to back it up. His comments on FSD come to mind as do some of his comments about how far along Tesla is on various products.
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