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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

_dain_ wrote: post #376

PierceJoy wrote: post #352

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Your only taking away someone’s livelihood if being an unvaccinated trucker is their only option. The vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require a vaccine. Choices have consequences. Mandatory school vaccinations, mandatory military vaccinations, mandatory drug testing in many jobs, etc. Why did no one lose their minds over those things?

>Choices have consequences. Yes, the powers that be chose to force an unnecessary vaccine on working class people, and this is the consequence. Can we quit using this sinister thought-terminating cliche?

> Yes, the powers that be chose to force an unnecessary vaccine on working class people

No one was forced to get a vaccine. Period.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by culi » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #347

PierceJoy wrote: post #297

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thr…

> If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. So Gofundme gets to turn all the funds into "excess" funds?

Per GFM's standard procedures, which the organizers agreed to when setting up the gofundme, when a gfm gets cancelled, donators have a certain amount of time to ask for refunds. The leftover money that wasn't refunded goes to charities of the choosing of the organizers of the gfm

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by dang » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

PierceJoy wrote: post #398

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #345

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Okay, you’ve defined forced elsewhere: “That is not being forced. That is called choice. Choices have consequences.” That’s literally forced but in an nonviolent matter. Kind of like how people can be correctly be called “forced” to file tax returns in the US. They are forced, stop playing word games.

I'm not familiar with the US tax laws, but in Canada if you don't file a tax return and don't owe money, there are no consequences. If you owe money, and do not pay, eventually you will end up in jail. That's actually being forced, and makes this a terrible analogy. If someone is fired from the military for not getting a non-covid vaccine, are they being forced to get the vaccine? They are not being forced. Stop play…

Please omit flamewar swipes from your comments here.

Your comment would be fine without the last sentence.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

PierceJoy wrote: post #398

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #345

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Okay, you’ve defined forced elsewhere: “That is not being forced. That is called choice. Choices have consequences.” That’s literally forced but in an nonviolent matter. Kind of like how people can be correctly be called “forced” to file tax returns in the US. They are forced, stop playing word games.

I'm not familiar with the US tax laws, but in Canada if you don't file a tax return and don't owe money, there are no consequences. If you owe money, and do not pay, eventually you will end up in jail. That's actually being forced, and makes this a terrible analogy. If someone is fired from the military for not getting a non-covid vaccine, are they being forced to get the vaccine? They are not being forced. Stop play…

In the US, everyone must file a tax return if they have anything over $12,000+ in income. If you don’t, you could get arrested. That is rightfully called forced, because the threat is that you will lose your livelihood if you don’t file. Nobody would call living in jail a real choice.

Similarly, if you don’t take the vaccine, you are also losing your livelihood in the military, possibly having no way to provide for your family outside the military, and this can be rightfully called forced.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:09 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #372

PierceJoy wrote: post #328

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You are manipulating the word “forced” so it doesn’t sound so bad. Just because it doesn’t use physical force doesn’t mean it isn’t forced.

It isn't forced.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by 8note » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:10 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #117

mercy_dude wrote: post #71

I spent a decent part of my adult life in Canada and I can’t believe what in God’s name is happening to that place. Canada is experiencing a severe housing bubble at the backdrop of Chinese snow washing, wage stagnation is real and middle class is slowly getting wiped out. The only thing keeping the GDP at the level it is is high level of immigration which favours the wealthy in the name of a “point based immigration…

>The only thing keeping the GDP at the level it is is high level of immigration which favours the wealthy in the name of a “point based immigration system”. Is that supposed to be bad? The main factors that contribute to your points are language skills, education, work experience, age, and job offer. It's true that those requirements favor the wealthy, but would canada be better served by immigrants that don't speak…

I think it promotes skilled Canadians emigrating, along with keeping poor places poor. Instead of having competitive compensation, Canadian companies hire cheaper skilled labour from abroad.

If we got more cheap unskilled labour, we could expand our whole economy to be rich enough to pay for the expensive skilled Canadians. Making a ton of poor people richer ads a lot more total value than adding a couple of rich people

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:10 PM UTC

DrewRWx wrote: post #379

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #288

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No vaccine = no work = no food = die I'd call that "force" even if it's 2 degrees removed.

"no work = no food" sounds like the more productive link in the chain to break.

Good thing work that doesn't require vaccination is plentiful. Demand for labour is high everywhere.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by seized » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

alea_iacta_est wrote: post #142

wesleywt wrote: post #127

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Are you sure you are on the right side of the argument yourself? Suppose next year, the government mandate that you lose weight, or stop smoking or run everyday, all that of course for the "greater good". And then the year after that, it requires that you give pills to your children because that makes them "less indisciplined" and so on and so forth. Stop being so certain and think a little bit. By accepting this man…

No, that's absurd. You need to think a bit first. Those things are more easily taxed to "solve". And you being fat doesn't impact me in the least, unless I am unfortunately stuck next to you on a plane. I can't catch it from you. So that isn't comparable to COVID.

Notice how smoking has long been regulated and limited, but not banned? That slippery slope argument doesn't work either.

And the bit about giving kids pills is paranoid nonsense. And ironically, kids have had required vaccines for a very long time. With no sliding down any slopes.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by PierceJoy » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #386

PierceJoy wrote: post #263

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The vaccine isn’t being forced on anyone. Body autonomy is no more being violated here than any other time in history where vaccines have been required to do certain things, of which there are many examples. Not to mention, all the things you listed at the start of your comment have been done by the Ottawa occupiers. I don’t like to call them truckers because most are not, and most truckers are against this occupatio…

It is being forced. If you can experience significant losses or risks unless you comply, that’s being forced. You’re being disingenuous. It’s easy to see where this breaks down - per your logic a mobster running a protection racket isn’t forcing anyone to pay extortion money either.

It's not forced. There any many jobs that don't require a vaccine. It's a choice.

A protection racket is enforced through the use of physical violence. Terrible analogy.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by FpUser » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

PierceJoy wrote: post #297

The blatant misinformation is this thread is astounding. If you think this is “just a protest”, you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada. If you think GFM planned to “steal” the money, you clearly have no clue that the organizer’s plan called for excess funds to be given to charities. The comments in this thr…

>"If you think vaccines are being forced on anyone, you have no clue what’s going on in Canada."

Yes vaccines are being forced - how else a threat to loose your job can be called. And yes I live in Canada.

>"you don’t live in Ottawa and have no clue what’s going on"

Do we have a clue about what's really going on in the rest of the world? We do not but it never stops people including HN crowd from judging. I bet you are guilty of that too.