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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by tasuki »

ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

Data point: not for me. I don't watch YouTube and listen to whole podcast episodes rather than clips.

I don't care about Joe Rogan enough to deal with Spotify.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by bartimus »

FeteCommuniste wrote: post #156
bourgoin wrote: post #112

I did a rough tally of the 70 removed episodes: Comedian: 45, Political Commentator/Media Personality: 8, Brian Redban: 5, Health/Fitness: 2, Scientist: 2, Author: 2, Musician: 1, Pornstar: 1, (MMA) Fight Companion: 1, Giorgio Tsoukalos, Kevin Smith, Cliffy B & Johnny Cristo (can't even figure out who these last two are)

Some of them are really baffling. Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer, Ian Edwards? Tim Ferris?

Just checked: Tom Segura is still there. Kreischer, Ian edwards too.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by coolspot »

qaq wrote: post #136

I think this will lead to outcome that few people cheering for this are anticipating. Musk, Thiel etc. will back an alternative platform that will host JRE, Lex, Jordan Peterson etc. and in the long term it will win due to being less restrictive. Which in the long term is prob a positive thing.

Sounds like BlazeTV

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Post by rustandstardust »

jcims wrote: post #250

I grew up around evangelical Christians. The negative reaction to Rogan *feels* exactly like the clucking and tutting about 'dangerous ideas' that I've heard from the more cellophane elements of that crew.

Spot on, though I think it's not just an issue of 'dangerous ideas', it's more an issue of can the layperson think at all for themself. I.e. less 'free speech' and more dark-ageish 'only these are allowed to speak' problem.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by rustandstardust »

dtemp wrote: post #184
ahmed_ds wrote: post #131

I think I speak for the majority of people here. Before the Spotify deal, you would just see couple of Joe Rogan clips on YouTube and you have sat through maybe 3-4 entire podcasts. You don't care much about MMA or you don't think comedians are that important/hypeworthy as the JRE fandom would claim. After the Spotify deal you just slowly stopped even seeing the clips because for some reason you just don't care to se…

When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available.

Well he's interviewed Elon Musk and John Carmack. How do you rate yourself in comparison?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dns_snek »

sofixa wrote: post #328
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

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I'd say that we have much bigger issues to worry about than censoring Joe Rogan if you truly believe the world is so far gone that majority of the population is not capable of listening to multiple opposing viewpoints, weighing them accordingly, and coming to their own conclusions.

> but free speech idealism is dangerous and is actively harming the world - [...] antivaxx crap resulting in resurgence of once eradicated diseases

Similarly, free speech denialism is resulting in resurgence of censorship and propaganda.

We're actively handing the only real power we have in a democratic society back into the hands of the establishment, and for what?

If you have any moral principles, it seems naive to think that your opinions will always align with the popular narrative. By delegitimizing the fundamental right to free speech, you are ensuring that you will be silenced, cancelled, or deplatformed yourself if you ever attempt to speak out about something you don't agree with.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by aembleton »

johoho234 wrote: post #394
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

Where do you draw the line between free speech and for-profit propaganda?

You don't. For profit propaganda is part of free speech

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by iqanq »

flarg wrote: post #375
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

How Rogan manages to publish without fact checking and gets away with it amazes me. His free speech is fine, but falsehoods are not.

Let me guess who you want to do the fact checking... someone who thinks the way you do, no?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by iqanq »

archagon wrote: post #373
xdennis wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? No. Censorship is the suppression of speech. If you don't sell a book because you don't think it fits your store, or you don't think it's profitable, that's not censorship. But if you refuse to carry a book SPECIFICALLY because you don't like the message, then that IS censorship. Some forms of censorship are illeg…

That just dilutes the definition to the point of being meaningless. You will find very few bookstores with a section devoted to extremist treatises and manifestos. That is not censorship in any conventional sense of the word.

Extremist treatises and manifestos by definition don't sell well so they are a bad example.
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