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Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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tssva wrote: post #394
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

The US doesn't have huge lockdowns.

Yeah - came here to say this.

> .../ everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageble").

Most places I go in public (mainly grocery/retail stores) it's around 40% of the people I see do not wear masks, even when signs are clearly posted. I'm out in public far less than I was 2 years ago, so perhaps I'm statistically unlucky in seeing particularly 'bad' times, but probably not.

Interestingly, the Apple store in town was the only place I've ever seen where it was 100% mask usage, and they had some folks at the front that calmly but firmly prevented entrance without a mask. I saw that twice over a 3 month period, but... perhaps they've reverted now?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ekianjo »

tssva wrote: post #394
wruza wrote: post #259

This pandemic is very strange mental-wise, all my doctors note that. The US, as far as I understand, has huge lockdowns and that may be the factor, but in my country it's called "an advisory self-isolation" and everyone basically lives their life like before, except wearing masks in public places and mandatory vaccination to visit a mall or a restaurant (also "manageable"). I'm not a social person (age almost 40), an…

The US doesn't have huge lockdowns.

The US is not a single place

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Dumblydorr »

tonguez wrote: post #18
paperwasp42 wrote: post #10

I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

The problem with framing this as a mental health crisis is that it implies the solution is in mental health services. Is there a mental health crisis in North Korea? No their lives are just terrible. Therapy isn’t going to help people in North Korea. Similarly the worse material conditions are in the West the more people are going to kill themselves. I think it’s about 200 a day in the US and it has been for many man…

Are you a mental health professional? Seems you're overconfident that therapy and drugs aren't the solution to mental health problems, given those are the two main treatments used by doctors who are actually experts on the matter.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by ekianjo »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #10

I'm not even a parent, but I've been incredibly distressed by this trend. Several of my good friends have had their daughters attempt suicide (luckily, none have succeeded, although 2 extremely close calls). It's been utterly gut-wrenching to watch these talented, kind, ambitious girls spiral into shells of their former selves. Luckily, all my friends are fellow techies who are upper-middle class, and can afford medi…

> can afford medication

I'm not sure putting chemicals in one kid's brain (especially since brains are not fully formed till 25) is a very good idea

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Dumblydorr »

pdimitar wrote: post #102

I'll join the chorus of the other sibling commenters here by expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything. Psychiatric medication often simply numbs your brain so it stops being worried about things that legitimately and truly torment it. It reduces your sensitivity, it knocks off your normal brain chemicals balance, and it turns you into a robot. I've had a family member go through this a…

Are you a psychiatrist, psychologist, or mental health expert? The "shouting away" may be caused by non-experts such as yourself thinking your notions are worth more than MDs, who have trained an additional 7+ years than you to become experts in treatment of suicidality.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by sumedh »

ralph84 wrote: post #120
throwawayboise wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There should be a mandatory retirement age for government. 65 sounds about right.

Absolutely. Airline pilots are forced to retire at 65 and their decisions only affect a few hundred people. Politicians' decisions affect millions.

> Politicians' decisions affect millions.

Dont forget the US Supreme court where you literally cling to your job till you die. Those judges are one of the most selfish and egoistic people on earth.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Dumblydorr »

Arisaka1 wrote: post #335
elil17 wrote: post #114

I lost my best friend and a mentee to suicide in 2021, both in their early 20s. My most important observation is that both of them killed themselves for a myriad of overlapping reasons: childhood trauma from physical abuse, lack of access to therapy, body shame/eating disorders, and stress from experiencing discrimination/hate in their schools and religious communities, as well as more issues which I’m sure were hidd…

Every time I share with someone that I'm depressed and think of suicide they're like "just get therapy bro", but I'm depressed not just from the isolation that came with the pandemic (I'm high risk due to an underlying health issue) but also because I'm unemployed, and instead of feeling fun discovering things I can do with code, all I feel is heat because I'm unemployed. Someday, when we mature enough as a society,…

So sorry to hear friend. I've been there, I wager if you find the right job, you'll feel a lot better. I know it's tough when everyone around you looks at you with heat, that was my prime motivation to get a job tbh! Since then, I've discovered the job provides a lot of meaning and purpose, it's a great thing. Good luck, I hope you can find a position.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by sumedh »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #105
fny wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no evidence society would have collapsed. Many countries do not have the health infrastructure the US has and have not undergone societal collapse. Yes more elderly would have died. More people with comorbities would have died. But societal collapse? The shutdown lasted for far too long. Mock Florida all you want, but they weathered the pandemic far better than many states with strict lockdown regimes (Calif…

Why do you assume I am referring to the US? Maybe for you it's normal for there to be looting and rampant crime in the face of crisis or emergency scenarios but I don't think that speaks for the rest of the world. > Many countries do not have the health infrastructure the US has and have not undergone societal collapse. What does this mean? We have universal healthcare and in my city emergency services are so overwhe…

> emergency services are so overwhelmed

Is it because of the vaccinated or unvaccinated people?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by rob_c »

Can't talk about this yet still in various countries. And frankly other countries have denied this and just label deaths such as this as "excess non covid deaths" which is horribly disingenuous and insulting...

How long until someone (in the mainstream media) counts human life days saved vs human life days lost due to mismanagement and bad policies.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by pdimitar »

JulianChastain wrote: post #348
pdimitar wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only see one upset person here and it's not me. It will help if you read more slowly and if you don't get outraged during the process. Then you'll see that not one thing you said was something that I claimed. I never said not even one of the things you claim that I did. A bit of a puzzling comment you posted, man. Another hint: those thousands of professionals have a perverse monetary incentive. Food for thought. S…

In your original comment, you were "expressing skepticism that any medication will at all help with anything." This is an absolute statement that is directly contradicted by "Some [patients] can't function without [their medication]." Its ironic you criticize the reading skills of your interlocutor

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