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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by moralestapia »

bradlys wrote: post #383
slibhb wrote: post #376

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"My liberal friends" show that this is not a wedge issue as the previous poster suggested. They are "anti-lockdown" and to a large extent "anti-mask" but they don't hate women, blacks, or science.

But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones. Vaccines are a wedge issue. Lockdowns aren’t as much - if you’re already vaccinated. Honestly - almost no one really disagrees with that statement either. We all know it might not be helpful to get people vaccinated but we also know it’s true.

>But the point is that anti-vaccine people tend to be the hateful ones.

Hi Trudeau! Listen, the issue here is that you cannot clump two uncorrelated issues together, and even if they were correlated, it wouldn't be fair as for sure there's people that (please sit down, this may me quite shocking to you) do not want to get the vaccine BUT are also not part of whatever group you refer to as "the hateful ones".

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Post by scrollaway »

bmeski wrote: post #399
scrollaway wrote: post #393

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Several vaccines are already mandated for a variety of travel to countries, jobs etc. Covid is not new in that regard and all this nonsense about an “intolerable precedent” is ridiculous. The precedent has been around with us for a long time and we’ve been fine with it. The only reason this comes up now is because of increased visibility on it.

The issue is much more nuanced. I will gladly take an FDA approved vaccine like any other for such reasons. None of the available ones right now are. Yes even Pfizer isn’t as the approved Pfizer vax (Comirnaty) is not the same exact vaccine as the one currently available/being used. Edit: In short, many of us fear that the regulatory processes that govern our healthcare have been hijacked by corporate interest. We al…

Why do you think specifically this has to do with corporate interests?

Doesn’t Occam’s razor say that it’s just the fact the pandemic is destroying society and there is immense pressure from everywhere to accelerate usually very slow and bureaucratic processes because the risk reward ratio is completely different than the one for a vaccine for more contained diseases?

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Post by scrollaway »

bmeski wrote: post #187
mwattsun wrote: post #157

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Could you elaborate a bit on what right you are asserting? I don't think I'm alone in not understanding what right you are fighting for. You're asking me to take a stand without telling me what I'm taking a stand for.

Mandated COVID-19 vaccination of individuals with the current EUA approved vaccines. The devil is in the details. The EUA designation was pushed through because there was no other, "obvious" treatment (despite proven efficacy of a combination of prophylactic treatments). They are testing this thing on us. Even if it works I do not consent to be tested on.

As someone who actually tested a vaccine in phase 3 voluntarily, please do not put yourself in the same group as me.

You got a jab hundreds of millions of people got. I got a jab a few thousand of people got.

I got to install an app and log all sorts of things on it every couple days. You didn’t have to do that.

You received a QR code to allow you to participate in a variety of things. I didn’t, and had to even-more-experimentally mix and match my untested vaccine with an EMA approved one so I could get a Covid safe ticket.

I’m fine by the way.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by MrRiddle »

MiroF wrote: post #289
q1w2 wrote: post #280

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These policies are punitive - they are not based on science. There is no science demonstrating that withholding unemployment reduces transmission rates.

There is social science indicating that employment mandates increase vaccination rates. There is science indicating that vaccines reduce transmission rates. Regardless, this is a different point than the original comment.

> vaccines reduce transmission rates

With current experience from UK and France, this line (even though true up to a point) is irrelevant.

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Post by torstenvl »

middleclick wrote: post #382
torstenvl wrote: post #360

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I'm feeling more and more confident that your comments are intentionally snide and personal, so I'm going to bow out. Happy New Year to you and I hope 2022 brings you much joy and happiness.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

kolanos wrote: post #342
micromacrofoot wrote: post #235

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ok now where’s the link that provides evidence of this happening with covid? or are you just guessing?

I'm just pointing out that your claim that a vaccine making a virus more virulent being "nonsense" is not supported by >50 years of scientific research. Especially if that vaccine is leaky, which the current vaccines appear to be.

it’s nonsense on the current subject, which is covid… not sure we need the gymnastics of “technically it could happen” here

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Post by ls15 »

bradlys wrote: post #372
ls15 wrote: post #325

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> the rest of us also have the right to protect ourselves from them How does your right to protect yourself lead to a right to exclude someone else from society?

We have prisons - don’t we?

Yes, for people who provably committed crimes.

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Post by [deleted] »

bmeski wrote: post #275
m-p-3 wrote: post #149

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I personally have no issue with this for the well-being of the majority and the medically vulnerables, and to make sure our healthcare system isn't overwhelmed with COVID cases that could otherwise be avoided or at least won't require hospitalization.

Hospitalizations are up because the governing health agencies are actively making it difficult to access proven prophylactic treatments. ( https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2021/12/23/us-paus... ) Odd thought: Even if ineffective against omicron, why would the government pause distribution of any, safe medicine? Doctor's should still be allowed to use it as they see fit, no?

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by throw0101a »

leereeves wrote: post #350
throw0101a wrote: post #344

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Saying that adding more load to an already overloaded system is fine isn't as helpful to the argument as you think…

I'm not claiming it's fine. I'm vaccinated and I try to convince others to get vaccinated. But many people contribute to the problem with a variety of unhealthy life choices, and blaming one particular group for the problem, and writing policies to punish that group (many of whom also happen to be the PM's political opponents), is the worst kind of politics. And suggesting that the lack of healthcare in Canada is cau…

> But many people contribute to the problem with a variety of unhealthy life choices, and blaming one particular group for the problem, and writing policies to punish that group (many of whom also happen to be the PM's political opponents), is the worst kind of politics.

Most other unhealthy life choices are low-moving train wrecks and can be accommodated for: it's not like the obesity and diabetes rates go from 15% to 40% in the span of six months. A good portion people's choices can be accommodated for 'simply' by looking at trend lines and planning accordingly.

> And suggesting that the lack of healthcare in Canada is caused by the unvaccinated is simply dishonest.

Any problems that any healthcare system in the world had were (and are being) exacerbated by the sudden surge of COVID patients. The unvaccinated-by-choice are needlessly making things worse for a whole lot of people who need a hospital/ICU bed through no fault of their won.

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Post by middleclick »

torstenvl wrote: post #405
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I'm feeling more and more confident that your comments are intentionally snide and personal, so I'm going to bow out. Happy New Year to you and I hope 2022 brings you much joy and happiness.

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