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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by bell-cot »

high_derivative wrote: post #314
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #300

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> should be only one remedy: imediate expulsion of any agent of repression of the Chinese state There should be the same remedy that is provided to any other bully. These are still kids. There is a learning opportunity. If they refuse to learn, yes, expulsion should be in the cards.

We are not doing adults any favours by infantilising them at university. It's a big part of the problem related to contemporary college culture.

True. But very often mommy & daddy - who write the checks for college tuition - expect the college to change his (metaphorical) diapers. And never dish out serious consequences for their failure to potty train him.

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Post by DFHippie »

zozbot234 wrote: post #354
DFHippie wrote: post #303

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> In America, we discuss and debate and try to incrementally learn from our experience. Well, some do. The anti-CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Do you suppose they'll be teaching about the Tulsa Race Massacre in Oklahoma high schools in the near future? ETA I think people were taking me the wrong way. I added "anti-" above. The brouhaha is all the people trying to prevent their kids from hearing anything in…

> Well, some do. The CRT brouhaha is a reaction against that. Yes, because "learning from our experience" is yet another form of oppression according to CRT pushers. And "discuss and debate" are routinely dismissed as "White" values.

> Yes, because "learning from our experience" is yet another form of oppression according to CRT pushers.

I don't understand. Are you saying people who discuss critical race theory are opposed to learning from our experience? Could you characterize what these people are doing? I'm genuinely curious. I don't mean to be aggressive, I just don't understand your point.

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Post by [deleted] »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #363
zepto wrote: post #295

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> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Bullshit. There is not one.

Many isn't one so I guess you're right there https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by rkk3 »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen Masacre

You realize the 89' protestors were trying to overthrow the government (thats how you establish the Democracy). No surprise that celebrating failed-revolutionaries is contentious.

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Post by tshaddox »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #346
tshaddox wrote: post #299

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Is it somehow better that the government of the United States doesn’t even need to try to suppress the information?

> Is it somehow better that the government of the United States doesn’t even need to try to suppress the information? Is the claim the United States is not having a discussion, in public and politics, reckoning with its racial past?

No, the claim is just that most Americans have never heard of it, even now after it was featured in some critically-acclaimed (although probably not massively watched) TV shows, and certainly not for the century before those TV shows.

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Post by thinkcontext »

citizenkeen wrote: post #321
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Why would you describe black smoke diesel as American?

I believe they are referring to "rolling coal". Its the practice of modifying a diesel truck to run dirty for the purposes of directing the black cloud at someone.

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Post by [deleted] »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

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Post by criddell »

merpnderp wrote: post #270
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

It does at least set the stage to expel them if the behavior continues. Although it appears you are correct, this is way too little way too late.

I think this is an opportunity to raise the prominence of the issue. I wish Purdue had explicitly mentioned the Tiananmen Massacre in this notice. We should talk about it. Our diplomats should be applying pressure around Peng Shuai's status. I'd love to see a debate in Congress about our participation in the Olympics and what that says about our support of this regime.

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Post by zepto »

jeffh wrote: post #374
zepto wrote: post #318

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It’s a delusional if you think that in the 50s, there were American agents intimidating their citizens abroad for talking about the Tulsa race massacre . The idea that it is OK for it to take another 50 years before the Chinese can talk about Tiananmen without fear of state reprisal, seems to be an apology for totalitarian oppression.

In the 50s there was US agent repression and intimidation of beliefs around communism (see McCarthyism). The KKK was also still rampant and had members that were police or other "state officials". So ... maybe US isn't so different after all?

The KKK wasn’t a part of the state.

And yes, there was state sponsored anti-communism in the 50s, but it is not even close to comparable. Nobody was being intimidated for mentioning communism, or even advocating for it.

People were targeted for group membership. This is still wrong, but please stop trying to make it seem equivalent to what is happening today in China. The fact that you have to go back 50 years to find an example shows how different the two countries are today.

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Post by nautilius »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #281
sschueller wrote: post #248

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I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

> Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to drink are enclosed in a small area like cattle. Public space alcohol consumption is one of the weirdest metrics I’ve seen to gauge freedom. But for what it’s worth, laws regarding public alcohol consumption…

> Public space alcohol consumption is one of the weirdest metrics I’ve seen to gauge freedom.

How so? It seems to me that the people's ability to use and enjoy public spaces as they fit (of course unless they intrude on other people's freedom) is at the very heart of what I consider freedom.

> And of course, you’re free to drink privately.

And of course you're free to express your opinion privately, at home, when no one's listening. See the problem with that kind of 'freedom'?

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