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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Maybe their assessment of the medical science does not match yours. And maybe they are in a better position than you to evaluate it. And, of course, others who are also in that better position evaluate the evidence differently. One could draw two conclusions from this: "People are idiots", or "the evidence is not as clear-cut as we're being told".

And yet the vaccination rate within the medical community is consistently higher than the general population (90% vs 70% in the UK). (Edit: although it is plausible that this is due to some bias in the statistics - e.g. medical workers are expected to be working age adults (who are statistically more likely to be vaccinated anyway), and the general population is obviously a wider range) So does this suggest that thos…

> So does this suggest that those in the know are more likely to be vaccinated? Or that those in the know are taking a wait-and-see approach?

My... estimate? Gut feel? I do not have data... is that medical workers are at least no less likely than others of their same age group to get vaccinated. They may well be more likely to get vaccinated.

But there are holdouts by the thousands, some of whom are willing to quit their high-paying jobs in order to avoid the vaccine. I don't think they're all just stubborn idiots. I think that at least many of them have done their own risk assessment, and decided that it wasn't worth it.

On the other hand, others have gotten vaccinated, by the tens or hundreds of thousands, and they aren't all idiots or sheep, either.

So... my read of the behavior of the people in the field is that the evidence leads toward the vaccines being worth it, but it's not as clear-cut as the media tells us. But I'm trying to use psychology to judge a matter of medical technology, and who knows if that approach is even halfway valid...

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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The difference is totally irrelevant. >Unvaccinated people are not suddenly shedding and dangerous, in the way a naked person is shedding pubic hairs everywhere. Unvaccinated people are inherently dangerous. The change is that we now have the ability for them to become vaccinated people who aren't nearly as dangerous to their clients. In June 2020, we had no choice but to have unvaccinated health care workers. Today,…

> Unvaccinated people are inherently dangerous. They are not dangerous. A person who has access to sharp knives but is currently not holding a knife, is no more dangerous than someone who does not have access to knives. But even that analogy doesn't fit, since vaccinated people can certainly still get sick and transmit the virus. Besides, I am not restricting my position in this debate to health care workers. I am ta…

I think there's really a collision between your conspiracy theory view of the world where getting inoculated is equivalent to being 'tagged, tracked and validated"

Vaccinated people can get sick and transmit the virus, true, but it's much less likely that they will. People with STIs can also transmit the virus, so we wear condoms to make the risk of transmission substantially less. If your sexual partner is unwilling to wear a condom or unwilling to have sex with you if you wear one, you can just choose to not have sex with them and the risk of transmission goes to nothing. That choice doesn't exist with work. If my co-worker chooses to remain a massive public health risk, my chances of catching COVID-19 go up quite a bit. I can't choose to just not be around you and the rest of anti-vaxxers. Not to mention there are people who have legitimate medical reasons who are unable to get vaccinated who are put at substantially higher risk by being forced to be around conspiracy theory anti-vaxxers.

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