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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by naasking »

manquer wrote: post #389
naasking wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so making any judgements would not be meaningful as OP was doing The OP's judgment was that he saw no reason why this escort's business should be illegal. That's not a judgment on whether other forms of prostitution should be legal.

He said "this stuff" , which i assumed to mean escorting in general, he would have been more specific if he meant only hers ? Also it hard from government to legalize only some form of prostitution over others even if politically that is possible, practically impossible to enforce.

Sure, escorting businesses like hers, where there's clearly no victim being trafficked or abused.

Also it's not at all difficult to legalize only some forms of prostitution. Consider this analogous situation: it's hard for a government to legalize only some forms of cutting people with knives, but we seem to do fine legally distinguishing surgery from assault with a deadly weapon.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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iammisc wrote: post #358
naasking wrote: post #327

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> For example, would you sell your pancreas? Why not? Is it because a vital organ is not in the same class of goods as say a lightbulb? [...] Your kind of equivocation is morally lazy and conveniently abiological. Speaking of lazy, that's a pretty ridiculous comparison. Depriving yourself of a vital organ is not the same as renting out your genitals for a limited time. "Making a new person" is also a complete red her…

> You can hire a surrogate to carry a baby to term In the vast majority of first world countries this is illegal for precisely the reasons I described. Only extremely poor countries or barbaric jurisdictions, such as California, allow paid surrogacy. > not the same as renting out your genitals for a limited time. Given the genitals ability to produce life that can last many years beyond yourself, you're absolutely ri…

> In the vast majority of first world countries this is illegal for precisely the reasons I described.

No it's not. The potential to make humans is not equal to the intentional act to create humans, just like the potential to commit murder is not the same as the intentional act to commit murder.

> Only extremely poor countries or barbaric jurisdictions, such as California, allow paid surrogacy.

You definitely need to update your list, because more states are surrogate friendly than aren't.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by bradlys »

creamytaco wrote: post #330
denton-scratch wrote: post #304

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> It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much $1200 an hour, with a minimum 1.5 hours, so $1800. In addition to a 20-minute roll in the hay, you get an attractive, intelligent person for company, who is skillful at flattering men. So these "half the people on the planet": if they're not prostitutes, then you will have to date them. You are not going to cop if you take your date out to KFC. Even taking the…

This sounds completely off the mark for anyone that is moderately attractive, outgoing whilst possessing intelligence and social skills (I know, such a high bar to clear amongst SV types). The fact is, if one is above average in these areas, sex with attractive females doesn't cost one anything besides the time one puts in for the experience itself. Throwing money at escorts is such a loser move (and the experience s…

> This sounds completely off the mark for anyone that is moderately attractive, outgoing whilst possessing intelligence and social skills (I know, such a high bar to clear amongst SV types). The fact is, if one is above average in these areas, sex with attractive females doesn't cost one anything besides the time one puts in for the experience itself.

Sounds on the mark to me. I'm extroverted AF, intelligent, can make just about anyone laugh, and can form deep bonds and have deep conversations with people I literally run into off the street. Trying to date in SFO though? Purgatory. I'm not tall - I'm 5'10". I'm not muscular but also not fat - I'm 140lb. I'm a niche good - I don't have the universal appeal of Chris Hemsworth. Therefore, real life is where I'd sell best because I do well in conversation and - unfortunately - that takes so much time. Sooooo much time. The biggest issue is just getting in front of a beautiful woman. Once I'm in front - I can shoot myself in the foot and be okay with it. But, the fact that I can't even get in front of one is the hugest barrier to my lack of dating horror stories to tell friends. It's depressing.

It's the land of 49ers and an escort like Aella sounds appealing to me. I don't know if I'd ever do it for two reasons though. Firstly, I'm a bit too dedicated to a woman's pleasure and I'd worry an escort would be too much in their head to actually enjoy themselves fully. I already have to deal with that with women as it is. I cannot imagine how much in your own head you are as an escort. There was an aspect she touched on in her article that I was thinking myself as I was reading - which is that at least now she gets paid to have mediocre sex. I'm not really into mediocre sex. She did enjoy some but I wonder what it takes for an escort to enjoy it. I've only engaged in sexual acts with women who were obviously very into me (if only for the moment due to some hormones but at least they were into me for that night or two!). I don't doubt her abilities to fake it well but I also think many men are blind, apathetic, or as self-absorbed as many women I've encountered... and I'm not. So I don't think the sex would be good for either of us unless she was into me. Thus, would it be a good experience even if it was free? Probably not. If she was into me then why are we not just dating instead of some paid transaction? I mean if we're dating then she should really be trying to convince me to buy the $3m house like my last partner wanted... $2k transactions are cheap in comparison!

Secondly, the money aspect is very real to me. I might have a couple million in the bank and a 1%er income but the value proposition just is hard for me to reckon with. I think, "$2000+ for a nice night out with a pretty lady who will only see me as long as I keep paying $2k+ for every interaction... or my soft and delicate keyboard warrior hand for the low low price of self-loathing and depression?" For someone who is a comedian in his social circle - it's quite obvious which I'm going for. Self-hatred is just too good to pass up.

Also - 20 minutes? You're with a total babe and you're gonna just spend 20 minutes? What the f. Whenever that kind of opportunity presents itself to me - you have to wheel us both out after.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by naasking »

iammisc wrote: post #392
naasking wrote: post #372

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> For example, we regulate ivf, don't we? Why? Because the action undertaken has the ability to create new life. The same is true of prostitution. No, we don't regulate it because it can create new life, we regulate it because it falls under healthcare for which doctors have a certain duty of care, and if IVF is done poorly it can cause all sorts of deleterious health effects for the mother and the implanted embryo.…

Nonsense, we directly regulate even that which is not about health care. For example, most countries limit the amount of children a man can sire via sperm donation. > These considerations do not apply to prostitution since we have contraception and abortion. Whose burden falls solely on the women, and for which large portions of the population would object to the use of abortion as birth control. Even many pro-aborti…

No, abortion is not murder because fetuses do not have personhood under the law. It's clear you don't really understand the legal precedents you're pontificating on so I don't really see this going anywhere.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by mbrodersen »

eevilspock wrote: post #165
Yoric wrote: post #156

Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?

If a woman is poor, struggling to survive or trying to give a child a decent life in a society and economic system that is very sink or swim, do you consider it "consent" if she agrees to have sex with you so she can pay the rent, or have a decent meal, or buy the drugs she got hooked on dealing with depression and alienation, sold to her by a predatory drug dealer?

Yes of course. She has the option to do it or not. A male in the same situation might not even have the option.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by CydeWeys »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #286
gitfan86 wrote: post #256

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It is probably a similar rate to what happens at a las vegas strip club. They get you drunk then ask for your credit card and put 5k on it.

They don't do that to ~25%(!!!!) of customers. You can't continuously run an above the table business involving card processors if even 1/10th of those people do a charge-back.

That 22% is a lifetime figure, not a per-occurrence figure. I've had my credit card info stolen several times, yet the fraud rate per transaction is way below 1%.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by CydeWeys »

jiggawatts wrote: post #250
tomc1985 wrote: post #136

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It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much for something that literally half the people on this planet is equipped to provide You're paying for looks, ease, simplicity, no strings, and so on... I get it. But idunno, that is a lot of money for one nut. Also suprised the San Diego price is so high, when there is a red light district literally on the border in Tijuana, and those girls charge $60-$100/hr US…

This is a fascinating topic! There's depths to it like you can't even imagine. Sex is a market, and like any market, it has theories that can explain it. For example: in most places, most of the time, prostitutes charge the same "rate" as wives do, because they're suppliers in competition , and the market sets the price. Oh, you think your wife doesn't "charge" you for sex? How quaint and romantic! Of course she does…

> Oh, you think your wife doesn't "charge" you for sex? How quaint and romantic! Of course she does. You're paying more rent. You're paying for more food. You're paying with expensive gifts, trips, and most importantly, you're paying to raise one or more kids.

What a strange perspective. In the US at least, having a wife makes you richer, as most women work, and you still live in a one bedroom, so your total income is significantly higher but your costs are only marginally higher. Getting married to another member of the workforce is a great way to build wealth.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by c21h30o2 »

brabel wrote: post #349
Aella wrote: post #336

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My experience was not that niche and unique; I tried to consistently show data around how prices might impact your experience. The amount you charge is not correlated with the majority of the questions I asked sex workers.

In some Nordic countries, it's not illegal to sell sex, but it is to buy it. What do you think about that? Do you think making the men fear the law, but not the women, would do anything to help the women? I guess the government's objective is to kill the business completely, which is about as realistic as prohibiting alcohol.

It lets SWERFs pat themselves on the back and feel good by pretending they're not punishing sex workers, only the "evil" men who provide sex workers with income. In practice we have seen in both Sweden and Norway that police systematically pressure landlords and hotels to evict sex workers from rented apartments/rooms under threat of pimping charges. Immigrant sex workers have been deported after going to the police to report crimes.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by CydeWeys »

gizmo686 wrote: post #67
correct_horse wrote: post #40

The funniest part of this article (in the context of being posted on HN) is that the author separately mentions engineer and software engineer in her list of client professions. That settles it - normal people think they're different.

I say this as a software engineer, does anyone honestly believe that software engineers are engineers?

What does it even matter? It's just a job title. The job is what it is regardless of what some people prefer (or don't prefer) to call it.
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