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Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

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Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#401

Man, I’ve been following Freenet for a long time (20 years now?) - I want it to work, but every time I try it, it’s just too slow to be feasible. Slower than old dial-up internet.

Make sure to increase your bandwidth in Core Settings. The recent installers ask (or calculate) how much bandwidth you want to use. Both Freenet and I2P historically assumed you are using Alaskan dial-up when you first install. Freeenet is slow, but it shouldn't be that slow.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#402

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Decentralized platforms need signed messages, signed upvotes / downvotes, and an open ranking algorithm otherwise they can never be an alternative to centralized systems like Twitter Censorship shouldnt be the central focus. The real hope is that from 1000 ranking algorithms, we can find one that isn't a divisiveness amplifier

Which is exactly what Freenet provides, because it is needed to prevent censorship by spamming. Along with pseudonymity that prevents people from pressuring you into voting as they wish.

Web of trust is rudimentary, something closer to pagerank is needed and that would rely on up/down votes which also need to be signed

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#403

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It would definitely be safer to discuss that topic on Freenet than on Weibo or WeChat. China requires websites to be licensed,* so the typical self-hosting route isn't viable. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license

But you are not safe to discuss anything on most Chinese smartphones regardless of the App, because common input methods in China (optimized software keyboards) send all your keystrokes to their servers. Freenet actually warns you about that during installation.

There are ways around that. For example, users can switch to a third-party keyboard, such as TRIME:

https://github.com/osfans/trime

In any case, using Freenet is safer than using a platform that is actively monitored by the government and linked to the user's identity.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#404

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Wait til you hear about the criminal justice system. Sometimes lawyers defend guilty people!

Guilty people are supposed to have lawyers. What lawyers don't do is assist their clients in ongoing breaking of the law.

But why do they need lawyers when it's easy to determine if someone is decent?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#405

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Guilty people are supposed to have lawyers. What lawyers don't do is assist their clients in ongoing breaking of the law.

But why do they need lawyers when it's easy to determine if someone is decent?

Is your argument here that it is hard to tell if a pedophile is really a bad person or not?

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#406

I've run Freenet twice in the last twenty years. Maybe 2006, 2012? Each time CSAM was surprisingly visible. Maybe these days it's kicked off to a corner but back then it was pretty much a click away. I'm going to have to say if that's the basic motivation for censorship resistant communication in the USA, I am disappointed and sad. Wonder if it's actually useful in places where you actually have censorship, or if it'…

If y'all only try to see if there is CSAM and then uninstall when you succeed, then of course the CSAM percentage will become high because only the CSAM perverts do not leave! So instead keep using it and actually put the other content onto it yourself! Hosting on Freenet is free and easy, you just upload a site and post it to FMS and it will be online for many years if people keep accessing it. You don't need any se…

I have no ethical obligation to move my assets onto a corrupt network in order to reduce the percentage of illegal material there, no.

This is a ridiculous position.

The network is flawed. It's not hard to provide anonymity and yet still be able to remove child pornography.

Stop being an apologist for a network that delivers child pornography. Absolutely nothing makes this unfixable except the creators' dedication to making false ethical arguments.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#407

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Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?

Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunn…

> Freenet's default feature is

bad developers that make excuses for a network that won't stop the delivery of child pornography by hiding behind false ethical arguments

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#408

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Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?

Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunn…

> The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :)

A network vending child pornography should not be happy about this. This should be a terrifying warning to you.

Unfortunately you don't see it as a genuine problem, so you explain it away.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#409

…and its development has been exponentially decaying to zero for years. Mostly because of unsolved social problems (uneducated public doesn't understand they need real anonymous systems, and happily use corporate junk marketed as “private and secure”, while educated public dreams about making the next fart button app for the millions, and selling their data), but also because readily accessible public network gives t…

Freenet development is NOT dead! :) I have been contributing for ~ 12 years and now have acquired long-term funding (independent of Freenet's own funding!) to continue my contributions in a more intense fashion. The core network which serves static HTML sites + audio/video is stable and usable. It has a bunch of reliable long-term contributors working on it. Hence development on my personal side is focused on polishi…

> Luckily, Freenet did that right (even though it was the first anti-censorship + privacy network!)

This isn't even close to true.

There are many networks that predate you, provide real anonymity, and still remove the child pornography that would otherwise taint them and their maintainers.

You just play games with the definition of censorship.

When people tell you "you shouldn't be the vendor of the sexual abuse of children," you try to turn it into a censorship issue. Like people somehow have the right to publish this.

Except they don't, and you've become so addicted to a decade of hiding behind that shield that you don't realize what a villain it has actually turned you into.

The reason the other networks exist is that people actually to want privacy, but they won't shame themselves by swimming in your child pornography filled pool.

Stop telling us the way to fix your network is to participate, and water the numbers down.

Fix your miserable problem.

Re: Freenet is a peer-to-peer platform for censorship-resistant communication

#410

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Freenet development is NOT dead! :) I have been contributing for ~ 12 years and now have acquired long-term funding (independent of Freenet's own funding!) to continue my contributions in a more intense fashion. The core network which serves static HTML sites + audio/video is stable and usable. It has a bunch of reliable long-term contributors working on it. Hence development on my personal side is focused on polishi…

How would you comment on the design of zeronet ?

why do you care what a vendor of child pornography thinks of other designs
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