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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by only_as_i_fall »

cronix wrote: post #306
only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297

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It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Great, if a work phone is required by a company, let the company provide it and leave that one alone. Do you have to supply your own work computers or other equipment "required" to do the job as well, outside of contract work?

I mean I could do that. I could also just not associate my phone with a real Google account and then only use it for phone calls and signal messages.

The point is that you shouldn't need to jump through flaming hoops to avoid Google's spying

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Post by sudosysgen »

judge2020 wrote: post #400
sudosysgen wrote: post #396

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Just like for ripping DVDs, yes it is legal to do it personally. That's not what I was talking about, I'm talking about commercial jailbreak operations which are still illegal.

What makes them illegal? I imagine the only reason nobody does it is because there’s no market - anyone that wants their phone jailbroken probably doesn’t want to pay, or just doesn’t want to be without their phone for a week+. Plus, it’s not like a commercial operation like this is going to start making their own jailbreaks and then hoarding the exploits so that you can’t use your own PC to perform them - the jailbr…

It's illegal because of the DMCA. It's not legal to sell tools that bypass copy protection.

You wouldn't need to send your phone or anything, you can do fully remote jailbreak from a web browser with the right exploits.

You'd be surprised how popular pay-to-jailbreak shops are/were in places where this isn't enforced. You go there and the guy jailbreak your phone in front of you then hands it back to you. There's absolutely a market

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Post by sammorrowdrums »

randmeerkat wrote: post #230
sammorrowdrums wrote: post #125

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Work on PinePhones and Librem 5 is going well. There are still issues of course but I’ve been blown away by the community efforts to iron out the issues. You can get Linux Signal and you’d still need to have it connected to an android or iOS device too, but that would at least give you messaging. The other caveat being that there are still many apps that are not designed for mobile form factor, and while there is str…

> I’ve been blown away by the community efforts to iron out the issues. What’s the best way to get involved?

Well, contributing apps that do stuff you want a Linux phone to do, working on the existing apps you want to bring to the mobile form factor.

Also submitting issues and spreading the word help. Mastodon is where many of the developers in open source world hang out so follow @linmob@fosstodon and Librem folks and you’ll find the community.

Testing, sponsoring, buying the hardware all great options too.

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Post by throwawayswede »

swiley wrote: post #368
throwawayswede wrote: post #115

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While I disagree with Apple's policies (and really hate their behavior as a company), there's nothing anticompetitive about this. Vote with your money and don't buy an iPhone. As Rand would put it: > “Free competition enforced by law” is a grotesque contradiction in terms.

I see this a lot. If I sold someone a computer that was a metal case full of crush-n-run and they sue me and win. It's not clear to me why Apple is exempt.

I have no idea what you mean or what your example is all about. You basically couldn't have given a worse analogy or example.

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Post by hajile »

judge2020 wrote: post #387
hajile wrote: post #386

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Can you make an iPhone, just without Apple? Nope Their designs are protected at the point of a gun through patents and copyrights. Breaking those literally means the police will use force to stop you and to ruin and imprison you. Take away these restrictions and you’d see an identical iPhone, but without Apple’s restrictions. I bet that phone would sell millions. That would actually allow voting with your wallet to b…

So you want the result of Apple's tens of billions of dollars of hardware R&D, but without paying them for it.

There’s no fundamental human right to a monopoly of an idea. This is actively acknowledged in the language of the US Constitution.

If Apple actually delivered what was best for consumers, knock-offs wouldn’t matter too much.

My actual argument is that either we must regulate the idea monopoly we created or eliminate it by stopping the government protectionism.

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Post by warble »

salamandersauce wrote: post #233
prepend wrote: post #186

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Based on what’s happening with Windows, I don’t think Windows mobile would be any better for privacy than android.

WebOS? BB10? Meego?

WebOS was great on the phone I had.. forget the name. I really wish it had gotten more traction. Easy for webdevs to build apps for, and still would allow lower level access for games and such.. by now it would of been really dialed in and the modern hardware would of offset performance issues.

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Post by alerighi »

Jiro wrote: post #262
alerighi wrote: post #244

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Most people don't know this thing when they go to buy the device, and of course nobody will tell you about that. If on the box there is written "THIS DEVICE WILL ONLY RUN SOFTWARE APPROVED BY APPLE", how many people would buy that? In reality most people don't know this thing. They discover it later, when they ask some more expert friend "can you install me an app to do so, like the one you have on your phone", and y…

>If on the box there is written "THIS DEVICE WILL ONLY RUN SOFTWARE APPROVED BY APPLE", how many people would buy that? My toaster can't run any software at all. Most people will care about their inability to run their own software on their iPhone about as much as they care about running it on their toaster, or car, or desk. Most people are not naturally hackers or tinkerers. >Or when someone goes to you asking for a…

It's not the same thing. Most people doesn't even know that a toaster run software. It's not a computer, at least as a primary function, it's an appliance, built for doing one thing. Same thing for all embedded devices. In that devices the software replaces things that once where done mechanically or in electronic with discrete logic.

> If someone is going to you asking for an app that you compiled yourself, let alone one that you programmed yourself, they're such a statistical anomaly it isn't funny.

Yes, that could be the case, but it's more common with apps like emulators of old console, that on iOS are not approved, or to listen to music from YouTube in background and without ads, or a file manager to copy stuff from/to a removable device, and so on.

There is also the case of people that asks me for apps for their business and I have to say, sorry for iOS I cannot do so because Apple forbids that. You would better buy a cheap 200$ phone/tablet only for that application, because getting it approved by Apple and putting it on the store will cost you more.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by alerighi »

8ytecoder wrote: post #296
alerighi wrote: post #239

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To me a PC is a device that runs whatever software you need, and that you can program to do the stuff that you need. iOS imposes limitations on that, you cannot run third party applications that are not on the store, you can't write your own programs or scripts, or you can with 100 limitations that makes it in practice impossible to do so. And I'm not talking about the hardware, it's powerful, probably more powerful…

It's a very small cohort of people that want to do "whatever they want". Most people do productive stuff within the bounds of what's possible in an iPad - I mean Office/Outlook, Social Media, a full fledged browser with most websites supporting mobile mode now, reading apps, video/entertainment apps, games, social media apps, even corporate vpn apps are readily available. My dev environment is the only one I know of…

Yes, you can use an iPad to connect via remote desktop to a PC somewhere to do serious work. All other things, you can't.

Let's talk about office. Try to open a spreadsheet with macros on an iPad, of course you can't, even if Microsoft wants to implement it, that would violate the clause that an application shouldn't run third party code. A lot of companies have spreadsheets with macros to do their administration (I don't say that this is good, I only say that in the real world Excel is abused and that is a fact).

Safari doesn't have the same support of Firefox/Chrome. In my country for a couple of sites of some public administration you still need Internet Explorer! Even if the site work on Safari, they are probably not optimized for touchscreens and mostly thought to be used with a keyboard and a mouse.

And all the other applications? How about all the management software that is used in all companies?

Email clients? Too basic compared on the one for PC. Other specific applications? The one on iOS are more basic. Specific kind of software to talk to specific equipment? Doesn't exist.

Support for external USB OTG devices? Practically not existent on iOS.

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