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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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This has me really quite upset and a bit worried. I feel very strongly that I will never accept this type of ultimatum and I've already talked to my wife about going back to Linux again.

At the same time, I worry this might mean I may no longer be able to work from home, if my employer "upgrades" to Windows 11 and introduces some dependency on it. I guess if this happens I may need to accept commuting for two hours a day, again.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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It is a shame to watch the decline of Windows. There isn't much I can recommend to non-technical users looking affordable computing relatively under their control. Manipulation and user hostility is unacceptable. Any of these possibilities would be nice: * The market presents a kinder (and equally-affordable x86) solution and users follow. * ReactOS lurches leaps and bounds ahead. * Microsoft realises this trajectory…

Why does Apple make it so difficult/borderline impossible to run MacOS on non-apple computers? Would it cut into their computer sales that significantly? I would imagine most people who want (and can afford) a Mac would still buy one.

In short, Apple is a hardware company. It sells you electronic devices with some software and firmware required for these devices to function.

The software component in a Mac or an iPhone is larger than in a microwave oven. There is still equally zero incentive to port it to third-party devices, because it's the devices that bring in the revenue; software is a cost center.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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After watching this fiasco unfold I have a hot take: We need to stop judging these decisions based on our needs and consider the everyday computer user. Yes, these decisions annoy myself and most users on this site, but we are in the minority here. Most people do not care and just want to be up and running. They want security/configuration to be easy. They don't want to have to think about it. I think that a lot of t…

A lot of this will be terrible in the long term for privacy. They're exploiting people's laziness to fleece them of their identity. It's vile.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Well, here... And in every other discussion where it comes up. But also directly to the vendors. I manage hundreds of Macs at work, and Apple is always pushing us to use VPP (Volume Purchase Program). However, most of the apps we need are not in their store at all, so there is no point. And their 'federated' accounts don't work for us due to arbitrary limitations on Apple's side (Specifically: The UPN must be equal t…

> Well, here... And in every other discussion where it comes up. Not sure if "here" would help in any way, as when it comes to bigcorp-versus-small-guy, HN is basically an echo chamber. Also, I've once heard that Apple employees are discouraged from reading internet forums. That's probably why we never see them here. Kudos for complaining to Apple directly, though.

> Also, I've once heard that Apple employees are discouraged from reading internet forums. That's probably why we never see them here.

Well, I would never let my employer dictate what I do in my spare time. I'm sure they're here!

They're probably forbidden to reveal themselves as Apple employees though. Apple is really strict on that stuff. They love their NDAs.

But I don't think it affects Apple directly discussing about it here, no. Agreed.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account. Short of not connecting to the internet first the only way I saw where it was possible to create an offline account was to first attempt to sign in using an incorrect password with…

My username is "fucky" after I used an name to describe my feelings of having to create/use a Microsoft account. Exercise to the reader to guess the unshortened name

Now I'm feeling like I should create Microsoft accounts using the names of prominent Microsofties.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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post #117

I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account. Short of not connecting to the internet first the only way I saw where it was possible to create an offline account was to first attempt to sign in using an incorrect password with…

it's time to ditch Windows for linux

If only I could, but my experiences with Linux Desktop continue to be even more frustrating and painful than Windows despite Microsoft's apparent continued efforts to destroy desktop computing as a concept. Worse yet, the Linux Desktop community has demonstrated not only an inability to remedy said frustrations, but also a complete lack of desire.

I have some issues with choices made in Haiku, but overall it has a clearly superior understanding of desktop and personal computing and it would be great if it could become a reasonable alternative for me within the next decade.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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post #117

I know the post is about Windows 11 but I installed Windows 10 for someone on a laptop about 2 months ago and it had the most crazy dark pattern I've ever seen to be able to proceed past the installation screen without a Microsoft account. Short of not connecting to the internet first the only way I saw where it was possible to create an offline account was to first attempt to sign in using an incorrect password with…

You want an even darker pattern? Try requesting the windows telemetry data from a PC which isn't logged in through a MS account. You'll spend weeks going back and forth trying to explain to their support agents that you can't login to the website because you don't have an account. Frustrating doesn't begin to describe it. I've still not been able to get anything from them despite a 30 email chain.

Are you in the UK/EU? Hit MS with a subject access request (SAR) as per GDPR Article 15, and the clock starts ticking; the data processor (MS) must then provide all the personal data they hold on you, and other supplementary information. within one month (extendable by another two).

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Windows 11 Home only. Pro, Enterprise, and Education don't have this requirement.

Are any of these freely sold to individuals, or do you only get them as part of larger deals?

Pro is sold to individuals and you can easily get a laptop with a Pro license from an OEM.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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When Windows 10 came out, the telemetry, MS account features, forced auto updates/reboots made my computer feel like it was no longer my own. Having used Microsoft OSes since DOS, this was the straw that finally broke the camel's back. After dabbling in Linux for years, this was motivation to commit 100% to using Linux as my main OS. It was mildly painful at first, but after sticking with it, I would never go back.

I switched to Linux entirely and used nothing else during approximately 2009-2014. I managed to do everything I wanted, including playing the latest games (with a bit of effort), and it felt so much better. What ultimately made me switch back was the lack of support for DX11 in Wine. I've heard that they've solved those problems now and gaming on Linux seems to be viable again.

I would love to switch back in response to this. Unfortunately, I've since transitioned to working fully remote and I worry using Linux for my work might not be viable.

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