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Post by amazingman »

izacus wrote: post #311
massysett wrote: post #294

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By this logic our computer operating systems would not improve, ever. Web browsers, built-in networking, music players, image editors, mail programs, even Solitare - all things that at one time were separate market segments.

All of those products have been improved by COMPETITION. The most critical, most important and ONLY thing that makes modern capitalism work for non-rich human beings. Every single field you mention was thriving when there were multiple players fighting over your money and have started to become exploitative and abusive as soon as one player killed the others and started rent-seeking. Competition is crucial for market…

Consumer VPN competition is about to heat up! I’m sure the incumbents will innovate to keep up, right?

Competition is great and works, except when it isn’t and doesn’t. Dogmas are usually bad, try to avoid them.

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Post by pwinnski »

Grustaf wrote: post #395
pwinnski wrote: post #393

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> We were talking about video streaming services though Were we? I read "on-line video providers," which could as easily be the BBC or YouTube as Netflix. It seems like your most recent comment is the first one to mention streaming.

Those are all video streaming sites.

Okay, and several of them don't require logins. So I'm not sure what your objection was about.

In any case, I think I've answered the question.

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Post by philwelch »

dannyw wrote: post #369
philwelch wrote: post #264

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> Despite there been reasonable solutions like bloom filters and client sided hash detection, so that known child abuse material can be detected, without it needing to compromise the privacy of 99.99999% of users? This is not a good argument. “Known child abuse material” is the tip of the iceberg. There’s nothing stopping people from creating new “child abuse material”, and the people who are doing that sort of thing…

So because there are pedophiles, we should build backdoors in all cloud image hosting services? Should we build backdoors in AES because there are terrorists in the world?

> So because there are pedophiles, we should build backdoors in all cloud image hosting services?

That’s not what I’m saying and I can’t possibly imagine how you could infer that in good faith.

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Post by permo-w »

defaultname wrote: post #389
permo-w wrote: post #379

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yeah, but even so, it’s one of these occasions where an os symbol has been altered to change behaviour without the user’s consent or control it’s not quite as egregious, but it reminds me of how a lot of desktop apps now just minimise to tray rather than actually ending the process when you click the close button. discord is probably the worst offender for that, since it’s not (that I’m aware) a customisable behaviou…

The control center wifi control always worked this way. It wasn't "altered", that is a primary feature of its functionality. Apple gains nothing from your WiFi re-engaging. But many users do because, as another comment mentioned, people turn it off in control center because their connection is temporarily shit, or more likely just accidentally . Then they get to end of month and they have a monster cell overage. Some…

no, you’re wrong. it started working this way in iOS 11. You can look it up if you like

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Post by nr2x »

headmelted wrote: post #378
LeoPanthera wrote: post #362

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iCloud Backup works differently to all other iCloud services. How it all works is documented: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/welcome/web

Nowhere in the linked site that I’ve been able to find does it explain clearly that iCloud backup undermines on-device encryption. The point is that the deep compromises made inside iCloud Backup are hidden from the user and (at best) buried deep in technical documentation. So deep in fact that I can’t find any mention of it on that site at all.

Storing an essentially plain text copy of your entire phone on an Apple server is the default setting. You have to actively find the setting to enable the security feature (not having Apple give your data to any gov they want) by disabling another feature that makes no mention of security (backups). iOS is not safe.

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Post by glhaynes »

watersb wrote: post #335
tobr wrote: post #267

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> I would accept Apple using something other than Helvetica At this point, Helvetica itself would give a retro feeling if used by Apple. They’ve been all in on San Francisco for several years.

Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded. https://imgur.com/gallery/2eBXYnT

It's funny how here in 2021 I read 1984 San Francisco as being in sPoNgEbOb vOiCe.

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Post by fomine3 »

smoldesu wrote: post #398
AaronFriel wrote: post #345

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IANAL as well, but your first line is definitely not true. A writ of mandamus is one of many such ways a court can compel behavior, though typically a tool of last resort. Courts order individuals, businesses and officials to take actions as a matter of course: to stand trial, to comply with subpoenas, to adhere to a contract, to make restitution, and so on. I am not deeply familiar with lawful intercept law and case…

If the court did compel a VPN company to log compromising information, I'd imagine most companies would tell you. After all, you're just trying to be transparent to your consumers.

Possibly some fake "#1 is privacy" VPN company will continue their service with FBI logging for profit.

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Post by defaultname »

permo-w wrote: post #404
defaultname wrote: post #389

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The control center wifi control always worked this way. It wasn't "altered", that is a primary feature of its functionality. Apple gains nothing from your WiFi re-engaging. But many users do because, as another comment mentioned, people turn it off in control center because their connection is temporarily shit, or more likely just accidentally . Then they get to end of month and they have a monster cell overage. Some…

no, you’re wrong. it started working this way in iOS 11. You can look it up if you like

Control Center was added in iOS 11. Yeah, it didn't exist before then, so sure it "changed" from non-existent to existing.

No, I'm not wrong. I'm actually completely right. Control Center has always been a temporary toggle.

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Post by permo-w »

defaultname wrote: post #409
permo-w wrote: post #404

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no, you’re wrong. it started working this way in iOS 11. You can look it up if you like

Control Center was added in iOS 11. Yeah, it didn't exist before then, so sure it "changed" from non-existent to existing. No, I'm not wrong. I'm actually completely right. Control Center has always been a temporary toggle.

Again, that’s not true. Control centre, or some incarnation of it, has been around at least since iOS 6. It just sounds like you haven’t used an iPhone for very long

In case you’re just entirely misunderstanding what we’re talking about, I’m referring to being able to turn off the wifi when you swipe up from the bottom of the screen. This has been a feature since I’ve used an apple device, which is since iOS 5 or 6. Whether it’s been called “control centre” or not is irrelevant. That’s not even what I referred to it as in my first comment.

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