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America has a drinking problem

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Re: America has a drinking problem

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>Now some grocery stores have wine bars, beer on tap, signs inviting you to “shop ’n’ sip,” and carts with cup holders. What the hell?! That's absurdly irresponsible and dangerous considering most people travel to the grocery store in a car. Why aren't local authorities stamping down on this?

You can have a beer and still be well under the legal limit.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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Article mirrors my experience. For context I'm German, my wife's French and we've got family in Croatia who own a vineyard so I'm used to being around alcohol and people drinking. My first impression when I spent time was in the US was indeed how bipolar drinking is compared to Europe. We probably drink a hell of a lot more in raw terms than the average American does.Two glasses of wine for dinner, another one in the…

Spain would disagree. Many parts of Europe absolutely have binge drinking problems on par with the US or UK. Let's not even get started on Eastern Europe. You don't need to go far from Germany to find these problems.

I would probably say that Germany isn't indicative of the Eurozone at all.

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"we also have a very painful past and present" I don't see why that is more true of the U.S. than say Germany, Japan, Russia, China etc.

We've both refused to own our past national transgressions the way Japan and Germany have, we have more diversity than all of those countries, and have also not scrubbed all mention of said painful past from our national history like Russia and China.

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This is a common refrain but at the same time it seems to be the one substance commonly used across most of the world since ancient times. None of the other supposedly less harmful, banned drugs are so ubiquitous. Perhaps there's a good reason for this (besides varying availability of other substances)?

Nope, I'm quite convinced it's the varying availability of the other substances. Coffee, tea, and tobacco, became at least as widespread once global trade made that possible. Coca was late to the party because it doesn't grow well outside of its native region. Cannabis is an odd one, in that it was extremely widespread and making solid inroads in Europe and North America, when it became a weapon for United States rac…

Alcohol can be easily brewed from many foods without global trade, unlike other drugs

Re: America has a drinking problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"we also have a very painful past and present" I don't see why that is more true of the U.S. than say Germany, Japan, Russia, China etc.

We've both refused to own our past national transgressions the way Japan and Germany have, we have more diversity than all of those countries, and have also not scrubbed all mention of said painful past from our national history like Russia and China.

There is nothing to do with owning or scrubbing the past or whatever. The only reason the US is endlessley fettering about it is because African Americans (as opposed to new African immigrants) can't close the gap with other groups and instead of trying to solve the issue it is much easier to play an endless victimisation and finger pointing game. In Japan the victims were not there so it is not so relevant and the Korean or Chinese are doing pretty well. In Germany the Jews are doing pretty well. In Russia most of the victims were other Russians so there is no an exact group to point a finger at. America is not worst then any other country

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Isn't meth just plain destructive, what it does to your body, and brain?

It's somewhat more subtle, pure medical grade methamphetamine (desoxyn) taken orally is theoretically the best ADD medicine available but it's almost never prescribed for political reasons. Meth has lot less sympathetic side effects than dextroamphetamine per unit of dopaminergic stimulation, this simple difference enables abuser to consume ridiculously large dose and those high doses are destructive. https://astralc…

Amphetamine-like drugs are used as pills or capsules, powder, or fluid, and can be ingested orally, smoked, insufflated, or injected intravenously. They cause euphoria but tolerance develops rapidly. Clinically evident effects of the two drugs are nearly indistinguishable, but methamphetamine appears to be a more potent stimulant. Amphetamine and methamphetamine induce euphoria, increased energy, alertness and libido, agitation and anxiety, increased locomotor activity and stereotypical movements, as well as hyperthermia, increased heart rate and blood pressure, vasoconstriction, bronchodilatation, hyperglycemia, and suppress appetite. Psychosis, hyperkinesia, seizures, and coma have been described in emergency patients. Chronic users may develop behavioral disorders, impulsivity, punding (non-goal directed repetitive activities), hallucinations, tremor, choreoathetosis, dystonias, ataxia, and gait disturbances (41–43). Stereotyped involuntary choreoathetotic hyperkinesias are characteristic in arms, neck and head, and usually disappear during sleep, while teeth grinding (bruxism) may occur during day and night. Movement disorders may develop during abuse or abstinence, and though they a usually resolve within few days, they may remain for a long time in some cases, even after the abuse of amphetamines is stopped. Treatment with benzodiazepines or neuroleptics may be of benefit (43–45). Choreiform movements have developed as an adverse effect in the therapeutic setting of amphetamine used in the treatment of ADHD in adult and pediatric patients (46, 47).

[41] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23688691/

[43] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3355623/

[45] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7299411/

[46] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22883290/

[47] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15254949/

Re: America has a drinking problem

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I'm going to generalize, but the US is more diverse (rank #90 vs #151 for Germany, #169 for France, #111 for Croatia [0]) and we also have a very painful past and present that makes us acutely aware of our inability to socialize. America also has a cultural obsession with self-reliance/liberty/frontier-as-a-virtue which makes "socializing" a bit of a taboo concept, in a weird way. It's a crutch to "need" to be around…

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Re: America has a drinking problem

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> The very fact that you (as do most of us) consider it a "normal life" activity indicates a very skewed and unhealthy perspective has taken hold at a fundamental level. I would argue it and the stats answers your own question. By in large yes they can. And personally I’m not one to judge peoples lifestyle decisions provided it’s not an epidemic of people doing things like b&E to hawk a motel microwave to get their n…

How do it and they answer the question in another way to mine given that it is a toxin and millions are using it to damage their health every day? How many of those millions using could genuinely give up today forever easily if they wanted to?

Im not sure I follow. Or how you would quantify that. Im sure most could probably quit cold turkey without physical withdrawal if that is what you mean. It takes a lot more than 4-10 drinks/day to be at risk of DT or even tremors.

There are plenty of toxins that we freely ingest daily..Heck water in sufficient amounts is a toxin. Pretty much anything your liver has to process is a toxin in some form (i know thats simplifying it but still....).

It would be easy to argue its not even the most abused or greatest threat to our health. I would argue that would would be sugar, or more specifically HFCS. Thats in literally everything, from crackers to gatorade. It also abused by people ranging from young children, even toddlers to the elderly. And Obesity and related diseases kills at much higher rates. Congestive Hearth Failure alone kills around 500k people a year in the US..

And I would argue etOH isnt really even 2nd place in the list of normalized drugs we abuse readily. Caffeine is probably that one, and there are PLENTY that couldn't quit that cold turkey if they wanted (I am one of them, and have tried multiple times). Its also another one used by both kids and adults.

Re: America has a drinking problem

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I'm going to generalize, but the US is more diverse (rank #90 vs #151 for Germany, #169 for France, #111 for Croatia [0]) and we also have a very painful past and present that makes us acutely aware of our inability to socialize. America also has a cultural obsession with self-reliance/liberty/frontier-as-a-virtue which makes "socializing" a bit of a taboo concept, in a weird way. It's a crutch to "need" to be around…

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Re: America has a drinking problem

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I'm going to generalize, but the US is more diverse (rank #90 vs #151 for Germany, #169 for France, #111 for Croatia [0]) and we also have a very painful past and present that makes us acutely aware of our inability to socialize. America also has a cultural obsession with self-reliance/liberty/frontier-as-a-virtue which makes "socializing" a bit of a taboo concept, in a weird way. It's a crutch to "need" to be around…

>America also has a cultural obsession with self-reliance/liberty/frontier-as-a-virtue which makes "socializing" a bit of a taboo concept, in a weird way.

The "self-reliance/liberty/frontier-as-a-virtue" culture, which is strongly tied to Southern culture, is the culture that is more open about socializing with anyone. It's Northern and West coast US culture where people don't even want to look at each other in the eyes. Southerners will greet strangers and pick up conversations with randoms in a bar. That's taboo in the North.

Your premise is wholesale incorrect.

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