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Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by PowerBar » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:20 AM UTC

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PowerBar wrote: post #390

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Salary is the single most important thing to know about a position. If a job doesn't pay enough to cover my mortgage, I couldn't care less about the commute, the inclusive culture or how great their lunchroom is or even whether I'm qualified. It's a non-starter before I even read the description. Having to write a cover letter, customize a resume and sit through multiple interviews just to find out if I can literally…

> Salary is the single most important thing to know about a position. That's like, your opinion. Millions of people go on job interviews everyday without first knowing the salary offered and in fact in most meetings the salary is the last thing discussed.

Of course the final salary is the last thing negotiated, I don't think anyone is going to argue against that point.

What job seekers are begging for is a salary range being included with the job posting. Not doing so just wastes everyone's time when the company low-balls after the 3rd interview and the interviewee walks out the door.

If you want a junior worker for a junior's salary, that's fine, there are plenty of juniors looking to get their foot in the door, but include a junior's salary range so you don't waste everyone's time interviewing someone who's never going to accept your junior offer.

If you want a senior for a junior's salary and think you'll get one by leaving the salary range blank, go pound sand.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by insert_coin » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:28 AM UTC

PowerBar wrote: post #401

insert_coin wrote: post #400

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> Salary is the single most important thing to know about a position. That's like, your opinion. Millions of people go on job interviews everyday without first knowing the salary offered and in fact in most meetings the salary is the last thing discussed.

Of course the final salary is the last thing negotiated, I don't think anyone is going to argue against that point. What job seekers are begging for is a salary range being included with the job posting. Not doing so just wastes everyone's time when the company low-balls after the 3rd interview and the interviewee walks out the door. If you want a junior worker for a junior's salary, that's fine, there are plenty of…

> If you want a senior for a junior's salary and think you'll get one by leaving the salary range blank, go pound sand.

No one thinks they are getting away with anything but you. I don't get why you are so mad most people don't consider not knowing the salary beforehand a reason not to go on an interview. Not posting the salary on the job ad has never been the reason a position has been left unfilled.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by PowerBar » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:45 AM UTC

insert_coin wrote: post #402

PowerBar wrote: post #401

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Of course the final salary is the last thing negotiated, I don't think anyone is going to argue against that point. What job seekers are begging for is a salary range being included with the job posting. Not doing so just wastes everyone's time when the company low-balls after the 3rd interview and the interviewee walks out the door. If you want a junior worker for a junior's salary, that's fine, there are plenty of…

> If you want a senior for a junior's salary and think you'll get one by leaving the salary range blank, go pound sand. No one thinks they are getting away with anything but you. I don't get why you are so mad most people don't consider not knowing the salary beforehand a reason not to go on an interview. Not posting the salary on the job ad has never been the reason a position has been left unfilled.

People don't consider it a reason not to go on an interview because 95-99% of job postings don't include it because they know nobody else does and they can get away with it and applicants don't have a choice. If a reasonable number of postings included a salary range, omitting one would tank an ad's response rates and you'd see the trend change very quickly.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by insert_coin » Tue, May 25, 2021, 10:26 AM UTC

PowerBar wrote: post #403

insert_coin wrote: post #402

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> If you want a senior for a junior's salary and think you'll get one by leaving the salary range blank, go pound sand. No one thinks they are getting away with anything but you. I don't get why you are so mad most people don't consider not knowing the salary beforehand a reason not to go on an interview. Not posting the salary on the job ad has never been the reason a position has been left unfilled.

People don't consider it a reason not to go on an interview because 95-99% of job postings don't include it because they know nobody else does and they can get away with it and applicants don't have a choice. If a reasonable number of postings included a salary range, omitting one would tank an ad's response rates and you'd see the trend change very quickly.

If things were different, yes, things would be different.

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by ausbah » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:13 PM UTC

jonfw wrote: post #343

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So what should happen to someone who doesn't support gay marriage? Can they be a leader?

That seems irrelevant, unless your company weds people

it is very relevant because it is an opinion that implies they view one set of people less than another set of people

which has implications for things like biased hiring, promotions, workplace relationships, etc.

and this is not the sort of thing that can be "disproven" by past actions, because it still implies the potential for workplace discrimination

as someone who is LGBT+, I would never be able to work with a manager or coworker who expressed views like this for this reason

Re: Companies excluding Coloradans from remote jobs to avoid sharing salary ranges

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Post by jonfw » Tue, May 25, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

ausbah wrote: post #405

jonfw wrote: post #343

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That seems irrelevant, unless your company weds people

it is very relevant because it is an opinion that implies they view one set of people less than another set of people which has implications for things like biased hiring, promotions, workplace relationships, etc. and this is not the sort of thing that can be "disproven" by past actions, because it still implies the potential for workplace discrimination as someone who is LGBT+, I would never be able to work with a m…

I'd like to leave some room for those with strong religious beliefs who practice tolerance to still be leaders.

If your belief is that failing to support gay marriage is in itself an act of discrimination, than I could see how you would reach a different conclusion.