It's not clear whether India got some new variant like we heard of UK variant?
India’s second wave
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#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
A colleague at my work from Hyderabad's cousin has it, I don't know how wealthy he is, but he got a bed yesterday in a "good" hospital, I guess there are some areas which are way more affected then others?
Delhi/Gujarat/UP are worse than other places. It also seems connections are trumping wealth right now.
Kerala as well , not sure if they are trumping wealth here though
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm vaccinated, why the hell should I wear a mask 0. To prevent fresh distribution of constantly mutating variants so that we don't lose this wonderful chance we currently have of ending the pandemic. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/health/coronavirus-... 1. Signaling to intransigent anti-vax anti-maskers that wearing a mask is the right thing to do for the sake of others, because social messaging works. 2…
So it is really about signaling your affiliation at this point. At least you admit it. I wore a mask since last summer but the idea that I still need to wear it for no medical purpose, when over half of eligible Americans have received at least one shot and that number is rising every day, is just pure performative politics. And the cost isn’t zero. It prevents others from seeing my face which is a critical component…
> no medical purpose
The first reason I gave was medical. Maybe you missed it? It's the one marked with a 0.
> It prevents others from seeing my face
I'm sure it's a very nice face. What if you carry a photo of it on a necklace? Best of both worlds.
> over half of eligible Americans have received
"Eligible" is a weasel word in this context because it artificially constrains the set of people that you're taking into account who can breed and transmit mutated strains. Fewer than half of all Americans have received at least one shot so far. That is improving rapidly, of course, but there are also a number of mutated variants currently in the wild with more to come, and we should all want to stop them from gaining traction because we all want to live our lives.
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#404The Indian Government had one job. Prepare for this crisis. They had one year to prepare for it. They did nothing apart from grandstanding,claiming credit for vaccines, and suggesting home remedies and cow urine (not joking) while telling each other that Indians are immune to this virus. These naratives played out across whatsapp groups and yoga guru channels. The health minister even endorsed some of these remedies on TV.
The Prime Minister appears on TV on a regular basis to take credit for all things from all time and sermonise. Rarely has he been insightful or organized. The cabinet of ministers they have also seem to have failed to knock some sense into the Prime Minister and his egotistical proclamations that have put India on to this path.
The death toll is likely to be vast and India should expect generational impact. A resolution will take time, a lot of pain, and lots of external help. In the meanwhile, Indian officials will fudge numbers while the truth is out there for everyone to see in the fires that burn all across India and possibly visbile from space. It's unfortunate that a lack of education leads to populations electing incapable leadership leading to horrendous after effects like these.
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#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a HUGE difference in accepting a dole because you're shut down for the survival of your species and can't work vs how you see yourself functioning in a society where you can work.
> shut down for the survival of your species Do you really believe the survival of our species is at stake? There have been 1754 covid-19 deaths per million people in the USA since the start of the pandemic [0], a seemingly reliable number. That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Part of the problem may be that not everyone is that scared. Living in democrac…
> That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks.
Your assumption is that what the USA went through, with the shutdowns is the worst-case scenario. I posit that it is not - things could have been far worse in terms of death, as well as second- and third-order effects on the economy, jobs and food security.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If you’re already infected. And if you’ve had it or been vaccinated?
In today's news: "An unvaccinated worker set off an outbreak at a U.S. nursing home where most residents were immunized." An unvaccinated health care worker set off a Covid-19 outbreak at a nursing home in Kentucky where the vast majority of residents had been vaccinated, leading to dozens of infections, including 22 cases among residents and employees who were already fully vaccinated, a new study reported Wednesday…
And what has that got to do with people like me whom have had the rona and not died?
It doesn’t mention that the worker had and recovered from the rona, just that they were unvaccinated.
Even the WHO have started to admit to immunity through exposure.
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#407Wearing mask might just delay getting the infection. I wore mask all the time, wfh and go out only for groceries, still got infected. And when the CM gets Covid a second time after vaccination anyone can get it even with mask or vaccination.
People don't understand that the area under the curve will remain the same. Mask or no mask, the same percentage of people will be needed to reach herd immunity. The only exception to this is vaccinations. They may give you immunity without being infected. (They are not without risk though.)
As far as I can tell, we got lucky this time and the approved vaccines are close enough to "without risk" that you can round it off to "no risk" unless you are extremely risk-averse (if you drive 100km without thinking about your risk of dying in a car crash, you are not risk averse and probably shouldn't spend time worrying about risks from the vaccine).
Still requires that vaccines are available though, which is not a given worldwide yet.
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#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.
How do you weigh thirty year olds that can't work or take care of their kids because they have chronic fatigue after Covid? About 10% of the milder cases still aren't fully recovered after six months. About 10% of those suffer from chronic fatigue.
Can you give me a citation on the "10% of the milder COVID cases still are not recovered after 6 months"? I haven't found any good studies on this, and the "milder" in your sentence implies that you not only found research, but you found research that breaks it down by infection severity.
My google fu is failing me when I search for it though, so I would very much appreciate a link.
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#409This might sound like a dark humor but yesterday the issue of Oxygen shortage came up in Supreme Court of India. (For the uninitiated Indian Supreme Court acts a bit like village elder where they can give any random order to government for any reason even if there is no actual lawsuits under consideration.) Supreme court asked Government what their plan to increase Oxygen supply is and if they are planning to import…
In India Supreme Court can do the governing?!
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#410 This is due to new variant B.1.167 that has triple mutation. The variant appeared last December, I think, but surprisingly not much analysis has been done on vaccine effectiveness. This variant spreads far more faster and very likely vaccines have lower efficacy, but still protective enough to escape respirators. I would think this is going to spread elsewhere soon and lower vaccinated areas going to suffer same fate in coming months.