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Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by samatman »

rattray wrote: post #291
tastyfreeze wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

This debate makes me wonder what it'd be like to have a keyboard layout in which the num pad is in the middle of the keyboard, such that on a qwerty keyboard Q-T, A-G, Z-V are on one side and Y-P, H-L, B-M on another, with the numbers in the middle (separated by a buffer space). I know this sounds crazy, but IME the worst part of keyboard ergonomics on mac laptops is that my hands are much closer together than my sho…

I've considered it!

I use an ErgoDox, and there's just enough space in the middle for a numpad.

But I often stick my phone there, and I just don't think I'd use it very often. Technically I can pop up a layer to turn the right side keys into a numpad (advantage of ortholinear) but I don't quite have the muscle memory to really take advantage of it so that's basically wasted.

I've mulled over having a special lighting routine that lights up only those characters, in distinct colors, that would probably get me close enough. But it's just enough hassle that I never get around to it.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by paranoidrobot »

I'll give System76 (and their hardware partner) this: They're getting closer to something I'd buy.

This looks like a good option for a 15.6" laptop.

My issue with it is that they're still shipping with those barrel plugs AC adapters, and don't appear to support USB-PD for charging on the USB-C ports.

The lack of Australian support also makes it a difficult purchase - a former colleague bought a System76 laptop a few years back and it died a few months after purchase. Having to ship it back to the US, and the associated delays means having to buy a second laptop to continue working while it's being repaired.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by fomine3 »

monocasa wrote: post #205
sinistersnare wrote: post #22

Why aren't there any bold laptop manufacturers? This is a 2021 laptop that uses USB-A primarily, a meh panel, and no particular standout design features. Why do I have to get a mac if I want actually good design? System76 should take a risk and truly make an interesting laptop. leaving the standard, boring design to the big name companies.

My Huawei Matebook Pro is most of what I wanted in that space. 3000x2000 screen, USB-A on one side and C on the other, all day battery, nvme instead of soldered in SSD. Still has soldered in RAM, unfortunately.

All day battery is partially thanks to LPDDR that need to be soldered.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by samatman »

geerlingguy wrote: post #179
somethingwitty1 wrote: post #79

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Aren't the current rumors/expectations that they are dropping the touch bar?

Hopefully. The fact it's never migrated to any other project outside the 'Pro' laptops seems to point to an obvious conclusion.

Agreed, although on that front it completely baffles me that they didn't release a Magic Keyboard Pro with TouchID and Touch Bar at most one release cycle after throwing the Touch Bar into laptops.

I find them completely useless and am ready for them to be gone, but it's like they didn't even try.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by 12ian34 »

kube-system wrote: post #289
jdmichal wrote: post #262

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I still have a vintage 2010 HP TouchSmart tm2 sitting around. It was certainly an early execution of the convertible idea, and I appreciate it for that. Doesn't stop me from also appreciating my modern Surface Book 2 and Dell XPS 13, though. Anyway, that's basically the creation myth of the iPhone, no? That it supposedly was basically iterated on for quite a few years before the technology got to the point where a hi…

I also had WM phones at the time of the iPhone release. Most WM users at the time, myself included, were power-users who criticized the iPhone for a lack of features and never actually bought one. I couldn't install my network scanning app, connect to exchange, or even copy/paste with the iPhone, so what was the point? Turns out I was entirely wrong: Apple wasn't positioning this phone for IT/business professionals f…

I think the Nokia N95 was the best phone of 2007

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by acdha »

samatman wrote: post #400
acdha wrote: post #316

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Battery life is a proxy for somethings you do care about: how often does the fan come on and when does thermal throttling impact performance notably? If you don't travel, a desktop will cost less, last longer, and do more than a laptop — in part because the system won't be throttling. I spent about 20 years being laptop-only and went back to a desktop recently after realizing that it'd literally been years since I'd…

I routinely travel! From my desk, to my easy chair, to my bed, and back again. Not hard on my battery (two of those have charge cables handy) but difficult to pull off with a desktop. Now that you mention it, it's been more than a year since my laptop has left my home. Ouch.

FWIW, I found that losing that tended to remove low-productivity time - I do work at my desk and call it a day, whereas it was a little too easy to be hunched on the couch surfing HN. If I really want to do something, walking over to the desktop only takes a few seconds.

Granted, becoming a parent also meant that things like watching a movie are “haha, I’m going to sleep” now, too.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by lifthrasiir »

rattray wrote: post #291
tastyfreeze wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

This debate makes me wonder what it'd be like to have a keyboard layout in which the num pad is in the middle of the keyboard, such that on a qwerty keyboard Q-T, A-G, Z-V are on one side and Y-P, H-L, B-M on another, with the numbers in the middle (separated by a buffer space). I know this sounds crazy, but IME the worst part of keyboard ergonomics on mac laptops is that my hands are much closer together than my sho…

Many Korean tripartite (세벌식) keyboard layouts have a virtual numpad accessible with shift. In a particular layout I'm using [1] it is HJKL:YUIOP for 0 through 9, so you can type 3.141592 with shift plus L.J:JYPK. Note that most symbols from the numpad can also be typed with shift, and full stop and comma can be specifically typed with or without shift. To me it is much better than the ordinary numpad (even at the middle) because it only takes two rows instead of three rows.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Sebeolsik_Flnal.svg

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by nine_k »

rattray wrote: post #291
tastyfreeze wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why many workstation-class laptops DONT have a num pads. It is so annoying to have to type long sequences of digits without one.

This debate makes me wonder what it'd be like to have a keyboard layout in which the num pad is in the middle of the keyboard, such that on a qwerty keyboard Q-T, A-G, Z-V are on one side and Y-P, H-L, B-M on another, with the numbers in the middle (separated by a buffer space). I know this sounds crazy, but IME the worst part of keyboard ergonomics on mac laptops is that my hands are much closer together than my sho…

It would be a great step.

Next step would be adding more keys under thumbs: backspace and arrows would be good candidates.

Re: Pangolin – Mobile AMD laptop with Ryzen CPU and Radeon graphics

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Post by deepsun »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #402

I'll give System76 (and their hardware partner) this: They're getting closer to something I'd buy. This looks like a good option for a 15.6" laptop. My issue with it is that they're still shipping with those barrel plugs AC adapters, and don't appear to support USB-PD for charging on the USB-C ports. The lack of Australian support also makes it a difficult purchase - a former colleague bought a System76 laptop a few…

Don't they support USB-C charging? I compared the other days all their models, those that rated at 65W all supported USB-C charging.
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