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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by cainxinth »

GuB-42 wrote: post #311
agumonkey wrote: post #289

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I think the whole thing is bogus from the start, the 'social media' idea I mean. These are companies.. they're not here to make culture or societies.. they're parasite leeching on your human needs. When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over.

> When a new trends starts organically, it's all impulsive and genuine, then people start to profit on it and the game is over. I think I have seen the same argument about anime conventions. The idea is that a trend starts with a small group of passionate people, as things get bigger and more popular, followers arrive. Followers are not really passionate, they just jump on the bandwagon, but will leave and jump on an…

> And it is not all bad. While the community is less genuine, it is also more productive, if anything, just from the sheer numbers.

And it’s basically just a natural and recurring cycle:

Phase 1: Novel thinker creates something new

Phase 2: Early adopters pick it up

Phase 3: General public joins in

Phase 4: Early adopters get crowded out by newcomers and turned off by lack of ‘authenticity’ and either retreat to obscure niches or leave in search of the next trend

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mrweasel wrote: post #386
msla wrote: post #293

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> Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. I don't exist at your beck and call. Text me and respect that I have a life beyond hanging on the telephone, or I don't care to distinguish you from the billions of autodialers who are the only ones still rude enough to make such demands on my time. BTW, cute misspellings. Little jugs got big ears, I suppose.

> I don't exist at your beck and call Well, no... but depending on context you might have to deal with it. Privately people can do whatever they want, in business, the customer gets to decide. I work as a consultant, if a customer prefer a phone call, then I pick up the phone. If I'm busy a co-worker answers. In a previous job I was the customer, and I refused to do Skype meeting, because I didn't want to spend 10 mi…

It depends how much the business needs or wants the customer. It’s the same as non business interactions.

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Post by sloshnmosh »

lm28469 wrote: post #368
lc9er wrote: post #322

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The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

I turned off all notifications 5 years ago. No noise, no vibration, no pop-up, no nothing. I doubt I'll ever switch any of these on again

I highly recommend turning off all notifications/ringers as well.

Now, if I turn on notifications I realize just how annoying and distracting they can be.

I also block any phone calls that aren’t on my contact list. Others can leave a message.

Best thing I’ve done for my mental health.

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Post by aidenn0 »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #395
aidenn0 wrote: post #23

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While I don't think the GP post is correct, counter-culture necessarily has bad manners, because manners are all about cultural norms.

This is a ridiculous assertion. That might be true if mainstream culture was polite. But it isn't.

It's unfailingly polite regardless of how cruel it is.

Give me an example of a counterculture that was not derided as rude by the mainstream of the time?

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Post by SyzygistSix »

aidenn0 wrote: post #404
SyzygistSix wrote: post #395

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This is a ridiculous assertion. That might be true if mainstream culture was polite. But it isn't.

It's unfailingly polite regardless of how cruel it is. Give me an example of a counterculture that was not derided as rude by the mainstream of the time?

That is ridiculous. Newscasters are far less polite and far more openly partisan, combative, and opinionated than they use to be. Comments on articles and videos, and in social media, are far less polite than people replying with letters to the press in the past.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

airhead969 wrote: post #126
keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

Telemarketers have really ruined phone calls. No one under 40 is using them anymore unless they're expecting a call from a potential employer--the only reason in the past decade I've ever "waited" for a phone call--and I'm noticing more and more job postings will reach out to you via text or email first.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

lm28469 wrote: post #368
lc9er wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

I turned off all notifications 5 years ago. No noise, no vibration, no pop-up, no nothing. I doubt I'll ever switch any of these on again

The only contacts that make sound on my phone for incoming calls or messages are my wife and my boss.

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Post by aidenn0 »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #405
aidenn0 wrote: post #404

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It's unfailingly polite regardless of how cruel it is. Give me an example of a counterculture that was not derided as rude by the mainstream of the time?

That is ridiculous. Newscasters are far less polite and far more openly partisan, combative, and opinionated than they use to be. Comments on articles and videos, and in social media, are far less polite than people replying with letters to the press in the past.

Elon musk argued that calling someone a pedophile was within bounds of polite banter on Twitter and people agreed with him.

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Post by zamfi »

Jtsummers wrote: post #345
lc9er wrote: post #322

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The argument against texting, for me at least, is that it’s more intrusive (constant interruptions for unimportant things) and interactions end up being less and less meaningful.

Turn off notifications. Text is inherently asynchronous letting you answer when you can. Phone calls that aren’t for a conversation are much more intrusive.

This is a generational thing. If you’re over 30-35, you treat texts as asynchronous. If you’re under 30, you assume someone who hasn’t responded within minutes is dead.

At least, in my limited experience.

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Post by phatfish »

YinglingLight wrote: post #65
JakeTheAndroid wrote: post #39

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I find plenty of these types of communities through Discord, and I think that is part of the equation that's left out here. I don't really like discord much, but the reason I get when I do is to go check in on those friends. Usually these communities are just people that I've met playing games. I don't know that these would qualify as counter-culture or subculture, but they are free of marketing and advertising, and…

Old farts still had irl friends. The amount of teens who have no tangible friendships outside of Discord is sobering.

Teens/young adults surely have far more opportunities to make real life friends than working age adults. They are at least required to attend school.

I would say that this is more the lifestyle of adults after being out of education for a few years. They are the group that can ignore all real life interaction if they want, Covid has increased the likelihood of this.

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