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Re: Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting and stock manipulation

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That has nothing to do with legal fungibility, and everything to do with property rights, and the conditions at which most people expect to buy a stock (licensing notwithstanding). Fungibility is merely how easily the medium is broken into smaller parts that may be exchange for convenience, and not the regulated use of third parties, unless you're really talking about liquidity. The latter can easily be solved with w…

>Fungibility is merely how easily the medium is broken into smaller parts that may be exchange for convenience No, fungibility is whether an asset (ie. individual assets within a particular class of asset) is interchangeable with one another. It means when you deposit banknotes into your bank, whether the bank has to give you the same banknotes with the same serial number, or whether they can give you equivalent inst…

> Fungibility is whether an asset (ie. individual assets within a particular class of asset) is interchangeable with one another.

Of course. This is synonymous with my own explanation. However your take is that it means that after you've made it interchangeable, then the bank or exchange somehow automatically gets more rights over it. That just isn't the case. Unless there's an express prior agreement, it's also morally wrong.

Re: Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting and stock manipulation

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post #175

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Why would the economy collapse? If anything, it's very good to have short sellers, because they are the only market participants who have an incentive to expose bubbles. And expose them early.

Who knows? https://www.history.com/news/2008-financial-crisis-causes

The Fed let nominal GDP (and nominal GDP expectations) tank. The rest followed from there.

Re: Counterfeiting Stock – Explaining illegal naked shorting and stock manipulation

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Farther down it's stated that, as an outcome of this tactic ... "At any given point in time more than 100 emerging companies are under attack as described above.... The success rate for short attacks is over ninety percent—a success being defined as putting the company into bankruptcy or driving the stock price to pennies. It is estimated that 1000 small companies have been put out of business by the shorts. Admitted…

See that's what I don't follow. For most companies, when they IPO, they have the cash on hand from going public. The stock price doesn't really matter anymore for day to day running of the company. Sure a lower stock price long term means that they need to up RSU compensation or won't be able to raise money again, but do those really kill a company? I IPO for 20 million, giving me 18 months of runway. My stock instan…

Ever heard of “The great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.”?

New variant: https://prospect.org/power/wall-street-gambling-from-inside-...

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