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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Slippery slope is accelerating. Soon any wrongthink will get you banned by the tech cabal.

If by "wrongthink" you mean actively calling for and planning attacks on elected officials, I have no doubt that will continue to get you banned from all sorts of private enterprises.

I'm confident if I show up to work on Monday and start asking people on our slack channel who wants to help me plan an assassination on an elected official I'll also be "de-platformed" for my "wrong think" by my company.

This is a simple problem to to solve: stop planning and committing acts of violence because you disagree with someone else's politics. Nobody is getting banned because they think abortion is wrong or that we should try to balance the national deficit...

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#404

Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

“Slippery slope” is a logical fallacy.

For reasons I can’t quite figure out, HN will crucify you for equating correlation with causation, but seems incredibly fond of this equally invalid mode of reasoning.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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post #195

Oracle should scoop them up, lot of AWS customers have moved to OCI which is also cheaper in cost.

I'm sure they are going through the same calculus. Leftists at all tech companies have been stacking their management with left authoritarian sympathizers for years, most from overseas. However, LPOD is probably heavily right leaning, so who knows what faction they will be on. (LPOD = larry ellison, prince of darkness)

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#407

Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

Giant corporations bring all sorts of problems.

However, I think the real question is, if you have qualms about them, why use them at all? There are alternatives. Generally, people use them because they want to reach the corps. audience, or want to use the corps. infrastructure because its 'easier' then building there own. If thats the case, you're basically saying you're 'okay' with them having all the rights the TOS grants them.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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This is the power of network effects. Being kicked of one service is survivable. Getting kicked off all the major ones is a real existential threat to any company. Network effects aren't just users talking to other users, but platforms with overlapping terms of service clauses and what they allow and don't allow. Find yourself in the Venn diagram of what most of them won't allow and your system becomes functionally unworkable in today's society.

The flip side of this is that if, years from now there's a "free speech" payment processor, cloud host, social network and all the rest, de-platforming for a different subculture than the current mainstream service providers allow becomes harder. We talk about the balkanization of the internet, but there's a possible future where there is a balkanization across cultural lines based on overlapping ethos, not just geographical divisions.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

#409
The fastest way to get booted or "moderated" on Parler is to post material critical of Trump or the GOP, there's numerous people posting screenshot/evidence of their bans on Twitter, so it's quite clear Parler actually isn't truly about free speech, and does have the capability to moderate content.

https://happymag.tv/parler-free-speech-social-media-banning-...

This means that all of the high minded talk of freedom of speech by the founder is really just a charade, and Parler is really just a right-wing social network.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Statement by John Matze

"Sunday (tomorrow) at midnight Amazon will be shutting off all of our servers in an attempt to completely remove free speech off the internet. There is the possibility Parler will be unavailable on the internet for up to a week as we rebuild from scratch. We prepared for events like this by never relying on amazons proprietary infrastructure and building bare metal products.

We will try our best to move to a new provider right now as we have many competing for our business, however Amazon, Google and Apple purposefully did this as a coordinated effort knowing our options would be limited and knowing this would inflict the most damage right as President Trump was banned from the tech companies.

This was a coordinated attack by the tech giants to kill competition in the market place. We were too successful too fast. You can expect the war on competition and free speech to continue, but don’t count us out."

https://www.parler.com/profile/John/posts

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