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Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by fuzxi »

pksebben wrote: post #370
Torwald wrote: post #347

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For example in the media. Let's take major newspapers like _The Times_ or the _Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung_ as examples. You will not find any article that mentions 2nd amendment rights while not taking side against gun ownership. Every time the American practice is mentioned, it is scoffed at. At least by implication.

Perhaps there's a good reason for that. Not all ideas are created equal, and the proliferation of mass shootings in the states should serve as a strong signal that our gun laws are dumb. Somehow, the conversation has stalled here because some people actually believe they're going to protect their freedoms with violence. You know, by fighting against a government equipped with stealth bombers and death drones and navy…

Interesting that a soldier is ignoring both A) the incredible power of guerilla warfare (see: Vietnam War), and B) the horrifyingly bad optics, and possible sanctions, that would result from the US actually utilizing unrestrained military might against their own citizens.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by philwelch »

throw0101a wrote: post #384
philwelch wrote: post #208

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> Especially in the US, where it seems the Right has moved further over than the Left: As of 2014, when that Atlantic piece was written, that may have been true. As of 2020, the left has also radicalized itself: * https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1339984166935359488?s=... * https://www.thenation.com/article/society/black-votes-repara... * https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178...

There have always been radical people on both the Left and Right over the decades. But how much traction do those radicals have on getting elected politicians and on actual policy? It used to be that the GOP had little time for people like the John Birch Society. Now there are Qanon 'followers' (?) being elected under the auspices of the GOP party ticket. Vox's Ezra Klein recently released a book on the matter (I hav…

I went out of my way to pick the CDC, The Nation, and NPR specifically in order to avoid accusations of nutpicking. As the CDC example shows, you don't actually need to elect politicians in order to enact policy.

> But how much traction do those radicals have on getting elected politicians and on actual policy?

“We need to not ever use the word ‘socialist’ or ‘socialism’ ever again. . . . We lost good members because of that,” Rep. Abigail Spanberger (D-Va.), who narrowly leads in her reelection bid, said heatedly. “If we are classifying Tuesday as a success . . . we will get f---ing torn apart in 2022.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-democrats-pelo...

> Vox's Ezra Klein recently released a book on the matter (I have not yet read it), and going from this review, while there has been a shift on the Left, it is still the case in 2020 that the problem is generally asymmetric, and the majority has been on the right

Ezra Klein isn't exactly an unbiased source here.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by fuzxi »

tomc1985 wrote: post #374
cbozeman wrote: post #338

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Something given has no value. The truest line from Starship Troopers .

Sex is free. We are all equipped with the necessary hardware. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does it need to have "value"? This perception that it has value is one of the very things that people add just to complicate things. It isn't about value, or a chase, and to be honest I wish people would decouple it from anything more than intimacy. It should only be about getting you and your partner off. (And m…

>Sex is free. We are all equipped with the necessary hardware. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does it need to have "value"?

Everyone is equipped with the necessary hardware to work in my factory. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does your labor need to have "value"?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by thatcat »

cbozeman wrote: post #333
imbnwa wrote: post #290

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No one put a gun to that guy's head, society won't even ask him any questions about nor assume what he does in his personal time, whereas that same politeness doesn't extend to sex workers. That's just the tip of the iceberg as far as the difference between these two goes, as I see it

Well if we're going to go this route, no one put a gun to the girl's head either. She just didn't want to work night shift at 7/11 for $10-$15 an hour. In Fort Worth, I've seen night shift "supervisors" for the convenience store where I usually stop for gas being offered $18-$22, starting salary. With 1 year experience. Yes, that's a shitty job, on a shitty shift, and the pay is nothing to write home about at $36,000…

Yea no one wants to work at walmart and no one wants to shop at walmart, but hey look at how many walmarts there are. When people complain that there are no jobs they mean there are no meaningful careers, not that there aren't enough walmarts to work at.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by cbozeman »

worik wrote: post #386
cbozeman wrote: post #372

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> Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Probably because we're biologically programmed to understand that's not the case? It boils down to a simple, but true, undeniable - and apparently for a lot of people, unpleasant - maxim f…

Society is shifting. I have noticed huge changes in my life. The bigotry and prejudice about sexual desire and sexual "acting out" may or may not be due to some fantasy about the relative price of sperm and eggs. In other cultures, other places, other times that bigotry, prejudice, and shaming was/is not a thing. A equally valid possibility is the shaming of sex work is due to misogyny. It is the powerful men brought…

You think its shifting because you're operating on a human lifetime timescale. I'm operating on a million year timescale.

And don't think we can't move backwards from here... quickly, violently, and for many years, decades, even centuries. Its happened before with humanity. Who knows how many times before we had recorded records to reference?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by cbozeman »

thatcat wrote: post #404
cbozeman wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if we're going to go this route, no one put a gun to the girl's head either. She just didn't want to work night shift at 7/11 for $10-$15 an hour. In Fort Worth, I've seen night shift "supervisors" for the convenience store where I usually stop for gas being offered $18-$22, starting salary. With 1 year experience. Yes, that's a shitty job, on a shitty shift, and the pay is nothing to write home about at $36,000…

Yea no one wants to work at walmart and no one wants to shop at walmart, but hey look at how many walmarts there are. When people complain that there are no jobs they mean there are no meaningful careers, not that there aren't enough walmarts to work at.

Yeah, according to Keynes we were all supposed to have 15 hour work weeks by now... makes you wonder what exactly went wrong.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

Why don't we have sex bots yet? And VR porn.

How different can the experience be? surely, it's win-win all the way around. It would eliminate exploitation, human trafficking and clean. and of course, it would all be in the cloud. what's not to love?

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

cbozeman wrote: post #372
Larrikin wrote: post #367

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>>they wouldn't need to do porn. Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Why is working at an injection molding plant making car parts such a better job? Seems extremely boring in comparison. The only real argument to make for it…

> Why is it such an extremely hard to believe fact that maybe there are people out there that aren't doing it because they are desperate sluts that are failures of society and are actually doing it because its work that they enjoy. Probably because we're biologically programmed to understand that's not the case? It boils down to a simple, but true, undeniable - and apparently for a lot of people, unpleasant - maxim f…

i dont know why you are downvoted. i upvoted you. and bookmarked.

having said that: gender is a spectrum. it's very fluid. it's true for all animals. including humans. but evolution takes millions of years. not the average human lifespan.

unless. we modify it but it wont be natural selection that we can witness in our lifetimes.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

i think the role of porn in the development of the internet and e commerce is woefully underestimated and unappreciated. i have been around the interwebs for a while..altho not as much as some of the other oldies...and let me tell you, if porn hadnt been the main draw to the net, there would have been none of the foundational work done for privacy, credit card processing, internet marketing, pop up ads, search engines...its super ironic that stripe and paypal et al are turning their backs to the porn industry.

the titillation aside, the porn industry is one of the oldest and the main pillars of the internet. this: https://www.plytix.com/blog/how-internet-porn-paved-the-way-...

[..]In other words, sex not only sells, it basically invented new ways of selling.

The classic example is Danni Ashe, a pornstar who calls herself a ‘geek with big breasts.” She launched a softcore porn website (epically titled “Hard Drive”) in the 1990s that quickly became the busiest site on the internet.

$8 million and 45 employees later, she had built one of the first ecommerce empires. Pornographers like Danni pioneered payment and security solutions that laid (pun intended) the foundations for Amazon, eBay, PayPal, and the broader commercialization of the world wide web.

Let’s take a deeper look at the ecommerce technologies brought to us, in part, by porn.[..]

and then step back and marvel before you kneel to the gods of porn as you read the above link.. for giving us the interwebs.

Re: The Internet Is for Porn

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Post by tomc1985 »

fuzxi wrote: post #403
tomc1985 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sex is free. We are all equipped with the necessary hardware. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does it need to have "value"? This perception that it has value is one of the very things that people add just to complicate things. It isn't about value, or a chase, and to be honest I wish people would decouple it from anything more than intimacy. It should only be about getting you and your partner off. (And m…

>Sex is free. We are all equipped with the necessary hardware. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does it need to have "value"? Everyone is equipped with the necessary hardware to work in my factory. Barring health issues it costs nothing. Why does your labor need to have "value"?

If you could make them think about and want to work in your factory the way they think about and want sex, you'd have a full roster every shift and would be turning people away. Such an oversupply would naturally see the value of that labor drop to near nothing.
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