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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jiggawatts »

alwillis wrote: post #367
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

Welcome to 2020. Because we can't have nice things, Apple has to check that apps are signed with a current certificate for safety and security reasons. OCSP tells the client if the certificate has been revoked or not. Try opening a non-https web page; you'll get a bunch of ominous warnings from all major browsers. Browser certificates need to be OSCP signed for the browser to trust them. You can't even get a new cert…

This used to be true, but neither Chrome nor Firefox actually check CRLs or OCSP that much. They'll accept OCSP-stapling, but that's about it.

This is a very serious concern for Enterprise PKI systems: revoking certificates is now virtually impossible. CRLs and OCSP do practically nothing.

Google especially has unilaterally decided that Enterprise PKI systems don't matter. They have established a new "standard" called Certificate Transparency, which they use to make CRLSets that they publish as Chrome updates.

Which is fine I suppose for public CAs, but utterly useless on internal-use private CAs on local networks, especially those with lots of BYOD or guest/partner systems. Think universities or hospitals.

Google has become a juggernaut with more control over computing in general (not even just the Internet!) than all of the world governments put together.

They're getting truly terrifying.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by horsawlarway »

babypuncher wrote: post #335
horsawlarway wrote: post #256

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People chose to use Apple because it seems like a benevolent dictatorship. And frankly, a benevolent dictatorship is basically the best government you can have, as long as you're part of the "in-group" who doesn't push boundaries, doesn't cause trouble, and supports the supreme ruler, Kim jon... cough* Apple. --- The problem is that no matter how good the dictatorship might be today, it will eventually bite you. You…

I think the difference between the Google and Apple dictatorships is the business model. Google's customers are not the users, they are the advertisers who rely on the data harvested by Google. The incentive to be evil is directly baked into the business model, and most users end up tolerating it because it is "FREE", and often the only viable option. Apple's customers are the users. If Apple rocks the boat too much,…

I definitely think there's some truth to this, but there are more network connections involved here than a simple Seller->buyer relationship.

In my opinion, right now Apple is rocking the boat for 3rd party developers. Historically, that hasn't worked out that well for platforms, but we also don't have a ton of data to work with. It's conceivable that Apple becomes the "Company store" on Apple hardware, and their users only use Apple software.

But if that happens, I think they'll suffer more regulation and governmental interference (and rightfully so, imo).

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by satisfaction »

tshaddox wrote: post #366
satisfaction wrote: post #341

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> rare, very long, simple in this context those are simply weasel words in my opinion

It's true that I don't have data on how often this type of problem happens, how long they last, and what the workarounds are, but I'm using those words not to be intentionally vague, but to reflect my own impression from my own experience, and I strongly suspect my impression matches most people's.

If you use your laptop as mostly a youtube machine or a social media station then yes, the described problems are not a big deal, in fact they are probably beneficial to your well-being. But if you use your laptop to earn a living, that can be a major problem, day traders for a top of the head example. This also sounds like a nightmare for the corporate world. I suspect that these custom silicon iOS devices will be fully cemented as 'Fisher Price' computers.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by NoPicklez »

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

To your first paragraph, how many people globally do you think know that this is how it works?

Apple don't publicly go out of their way to tell you that this is how it works. You make a great point that the way it works is bad and I think everyone agrees with that. But it's the limited knowledge that the OS operates this way that keeps consumers purchasing their products.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by twistiti »

Lammy wrote: post #55
brundolf wrote: post #43

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I don't know about you, but hashes of the binaries I run don't exactly reveal any sensitive personal information about me. That said, obviously they should have much more graceful degradation in place for when something is wrong with the service.

"Hey Siri, select every Tor Browser user in America for additional screening."

That's scary. What if you set it up inside a Virtual Machine?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by miguelmota »

pbasista wrote: post #228
Aperocky wrote: post #172

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It's just sad that we don't have the corresponding form factor in a similar laptop. The biggest draw of mac: 1. slim, light 2. long battery life. 3. track pad. That's all I want, but nobody else offers it on the same spec, the difference is even bigger with M1.

You can run Linux on a Macbook.

After running Xubuntu and Fedora on a MacBook for several months, I don't recommend it; not all drivers are available and sleep functionality is finicky. Running Windows on a MacBook was even worse in terms of graphics card support. Running linux on a cheap thinkpad will perform better imo.

Alternativelym you can also run macOS on linux. I had luck with Docker-OSX

https://github.com/sickcodes/Docker-OSX

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by protoman3000 »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #386
wa1987 wrote: post #328

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> Well, how interesting that Apple's software is going to be bypassing Little Snitch, making it harder to discover and fix this sort of issue. Source?

Apple themselves: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210999 They are disallowing custom kernel extensions and instead requiring apps like Little Snitch to use their system API. This means that Apple has total control of how these apps function and what they can see.

With the new Apple Silicon devices you can’t boot your own OSes anymore so the process of putting the desktop in a walled garden is complete.

But where is the issue though? While you won’t be able to “own” your MacBook Air there are so many alternatives available such that crowding-out computers with open Bootloaders seems implausible.

EDIT: Apparently there is a way to load your own os using bputil

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by dylan604 »

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I keep reading in the tweets how all Macs are unusable. Is this an OS bug that doesn't effect older OSes? I'm on Mojave on my 2017 MBP, and have had zero issues at all.

When was `trustd` introduced?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pavon »

nomel wrote: post #358
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57

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I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

I never have problems with the new MacOS or iOS. The trick is to just wait for the X.1 update.

This is happening to Macs running Catalina and Mojave, not just those that upgraded to BigSur.
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