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Mozilla’s Uncertain Future

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Just the other day I saw a job opening for a "Chrome developer." First time I've seen that, and I thought to myself, "wow, we've really turned a corner..."

Was it for a position at Google?

No, it was at an SaaS company. I hope you get what I'm saying here...it wasn't Google looking for an engineer to work on the Chrome browser. It was for an engineer to develop exclusively on the Chrome platform.

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> There also was not a good security model. What security model? Pretty much every WebExtension i've come across asks for practically everything and even Firefox's own addon page tells you to only install extensions you trust. At that point if you trust the extension source why bother with the security model in the first place? You already trust the extension developer to not break anything.

The one issue there is with developers that sell out their extensions to shady people. While I love the XUL era way more than this current trash, the security model with XUL would have done nothing to limit the blast radius and the update system would potentially install it silently That said there used to be a human review system in place for extensions. I'm not sure if they do that any more

That is an issue with the current system too, sure an extension isn't able to look at arbitrary files in your system, but it still is able to look at your bank site, passwords, etc and can still do a ton of damage.

Web extensions aren't safe by default, you shouldn't trust them any more than any arbitrary EXE file.

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I think that this is misguided. If a malicious installer sneaks in toolbars it can also install a keylogger/send all of your data to a server/install a firefox fork with the toolbar preinstalled/etc. If anything this kind of thing only hurts the users that know what they are doing (such as someone wanting to install a 3rd party addon or someone wanting to install addons via nix).

> If a malicious installer sneaks in toolbars it can also install a keylogger/send all of your data to a server/install a firefox fork with the toolbar preinstalled/etc. If it's totally rogue malware, sure. The toolbars, on the other hand, were coming from companies like Oracle that operated entirely within the bounds of the law.

Installing a firefox fork is also within the bounds of the law.

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Never used Vimperator, but I'm happily typing this message in an embedded Vim using SurfingKeys on Firefox 97.

Yes I also use the various attempts at vim emulation in the newer Firefox versions. The attempts are commendable given the limitations of the APIs. None of them are anywhere near as powerful in terms of vim like behaviour. If you never used any of the really powerful old style extensions you have no point of comparison. But this is irrelevant. Previously extensions could do anything to alter Firefox. Webextensions ar…

It's like going from a pad and paper to a typewriter. Sure, you can write much faster, more precisely, and everybody to the same standards, but you're fucked if what you wanted to do was draw a spaceship. Then there's always the apologists who come in to say that their ASCII-art spaceships are basically fulfilling the same function of the ones you used to draw and you should stop complaining.

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25% seems like much too high a number for the group you’re talking about. I’d be interested to see some data on level of technical engagement and knowledge, but in my experience a large percentage of users don’t even have a clear idea of what a browser is. The reason Firefox has lost market share in my opinion is because: i) Chrome is pushed by Google.com, which has a near monopoly on search ii) Chrome was bundled an…

the current mobile firefox browser works great and it's not "too slow". They just simply didn't like their experience and told you it was "too slow" because they're biased again new things. Benchmarks (real ones on real web pages prove it) I agree with you though that Chrome engines are just everywhere and it's going to take some big sea change for that to not be the case.

It is a bit slow. It loads some stuff it thinks I want to see before letting me type into the one input box, which isn't even focused, so I have to tap in it to summon the keyboard), and only then can I type something.
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