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Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by GekkePrutser »

che_shirecat wrote: post #393
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, the clipboard snooping problem. If you’re using a password-manager (like we’re supposed to!) and use it to copy passwords (say, your Amazon employee internal credentials...) while you have TikTok open, the TikTok app would see it and could upload it somewhere. ...and we only know about this issue now because iOS 14 adds clipboard snooping notifications - and that was only a month ago! Think about the stuff t…

So, like LinkedIn and Reddit? (the site that the "researcher" behind these NYT-cited claims is using) [1] You could run through the toplist of apps and find hundreds that exhibit the same behavior. Not trying to derail this via whataboutism, I just feel like the core HN ethos is lost when we mindlessly repeat the obvious geopolitically-driven narrative here without any critical thinking. What I definitely do understa…

That the others are doing it too doesn't make it right.

Really Apple should take a stand and give all of them 30 days to fix their apps or get banned.

But TikTok annoyed me in particular for a long time. Nothing to do with geopolitics, I already hated it before I knew it was owned by China and everyone started banning it.

It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was supposed to like, it had a TikTok logo on it. So in my view this became the source of "stupid videos people bother me with". Not exactly a charming quality.

Especially with the lockdown it became extra annoying, every day I got multiple stupid lockdown videos and the ones with people doing stupid stuff and then the coffin dancers thing.

So that's my personal reason for hating on TikTok. The privacy revelations just sealed the deal. Not saying it's a valid reason for everybody but it's my reason :P

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by seneca »

catalogia wrote: post #340
jml7c5 wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sure. Reddit skews young, yet the narrative there is that TikTok and the Chinese gov are just shy of evil. The iOS clipboard bug in particular has startled reddit into a wave of self-reinforcing "TikTok is spyware" stories and comments. A story like this one just reinforces that narrative, and I'm not sure there's any way TikTok is coming back from it.

I'd guesstimate the average redditor is somewhere in their late 20s to mid 30s. Compared to Congress, that's certainly young. But that's about twice the age of what I imagine the average tiktok user to be (teens.)

Anecdote: every adult I knew that used Reddit, save two, has moved on. Most children under 12 I'm familiar with use Reddit.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by [deleted] »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #401
che_shirecat wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, like LinkedIn and Reddit? (the site that the "researcher" behind these NYT-cited claims is using) [1] You could run through the toplist of apps and find hundreds that exhibit the same behavior. Not trying to derail this via whataboutism, I just feel like the core HN ethos is lost when we mindlessly repeat the obvious geopolitically-driven narrative here without any critical thinking. What I definitely do understa…

That the others are doing it too doesn't make it right. Really Apple should take a stand and give all of them 30 days to fix their apps or get banned. But TikTok annoyed me in particular for a long time. Nothing to do with geopolitics, I already hated it before I knew it was owned by China and everyone started banning it. It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was suppos…

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Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

che_shirecat wrote: post #393
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, the clipboard snooping problem. If you’re using a password-manager (like we’re supposed to!) and use it to copy passwords (say, your Amazon employee internal credentials...) while you have TikTok open, the TikTok app would see it and could upload it somewhere. ...and we only know about this issue now because iOS 14 adds clipboard snooping notifications - and that was only a month ago! Think about the stuff t…

So, like LinkedIn and Reddit? (the site that the "researcher" behind these NYT-cited claims is using) [1] You could run through the toplist of apps and find hundreds that exhibit the same behavior. Not trying to derail this via whataboutism, I just feel like the core HN ethos is lost when we mindlessly repeat the obvious geopolitically-driven narrative here without any critical thinking. What I definitely do understa…

TikTok specifically has ties to the Chinese state apparatus that are concerning, similarly to Huawei. This isn't a blanket statement about Chinese companies in general - just those companies in particular. Specifically, this means these companies' products are likely to be tools of PRC state intelligence and the PRC's foreign-policy directives. The same cannot be said about other Chinese companies and similarly positioned companies in other countries.

This wouldn't be as big an issue if the PRC was a NATO ally, or least had a reputation for government transparency and accountability - and wasn't asserting ridiculous territorial claims - and didn't have an egregious human-rights record - and wasn't actively suppressing freedom-of-expression - and so on. Take away a couple of these issues and TikTok's suspicious business conduct over the past few years would be about the same level as scummy American Freemium game makers. I stress that (and despite appearances) I'm trying not to make a Sinophobic argument.

At the same time, I recognize that companies in China need to integrate themselves with the CCP/PLA/etc in order to succeed in that market.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by jsjohnst »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #397
jsjohnst wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a handful of others, including some that support both platforms

Oh which? I haven't heard of others, MicroMDM is fairly common, even used by some smaller companies. I'm always interested as it's my work so I'll probably give them a spin.

Here’s a couple, but there’s more...

Android only:

https://github.com/h-mdm

Apple only:

https://github.com/cmdmnt/commandment

Both:

https://github.com/flyve-mdm

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #401
che_shirecat wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, like LinkedIn and Reddit? (the site that the "researcher" behind these NYT-cited claims is using) [1] You could run through the toplist of apps and find hundreds that exhibit the same behavior. Not trying to derail this via whataboutism, I just feel like the core HN ethos is lost when we mindlessly repeat the obvious geopolitically-driven narrative here without any critical thinking. What I definitely do understa…

That the others are doing it too doesn't make it right. Really Apple should take a stand and give all of them 30 days to fix their apps or get banned. But TikTok annoyed me in particular for a long time. Nothing to do with geopolitics, I already hated it before I knew it was owned by China and everyone started banning it. It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was suppos…

> It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was supposed to like, it had a TikTok logo on it. So in my view this became the source of "stupid videos people bother me with". Not exactly a charming quality.

This quote comes to mind:

> I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll happen to you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by DonHopkins »

_abox wrote: post #346
melling wrote: post #342

The email sent to Amazon employees was a mistake. https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/amazon-bans-tiktok-emp...

Someone goes through all the trouble of typing that explicit email and it's a mistake? Sounds more like 'pulled after huge feedback'. Though personally I'd agree with this decision. TikTok seems to be a particularly bad apple: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

Cats + Keyboards + Autocorrect strikes again!

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by GekkePrutser »

jsjohnst wrote: post #405
GekkePrutser wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh which? I haven't heard of others, MicroMDM is fairly common, even used by some smaller companies. I'm always interested as it's my work so I'll probably give them a spin.

Here’s a couple, but there’s more... Android only: https://github.com/h-mdm Apple only: https://github.com/cmdmnt/commandment Both: https://github.com/flyve-mdm

Thanks, I definitely will look into those!

I've been using Intune at home because I use it at work too and I already had a personal O365 setup. It was nice to have a fully owned instance when I was learning it, but I'm trying to scale back my costs now so something like this might just suffice.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by GekkePrutser »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #406
GekkePrutser wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the others are doing it too doesn't make it right. Really Apple should take a stand and give all of them 30 days to fix their apps or get banned. But TikTok annoyed me in particular for a long time. Nothing to do with geopolitics, I already hated it before I knew it was owned by China and everyone started banning it. It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was suppos…

> It was just that for the past months every time someone forwarded me a stupid video I was supposed to like, it had a TikTok logo on it. So in my view this became the source of "stupid videos people bother me with". Not exactly a charming quality. This quote comes to mind: > I used to be with ‘it’, but then they changed what ‘it’ was. Now what I’m with isn’t ‘it’ anymore and what’s ‘it’ seems weird and scary. It’ll…

I never liked TikTok or this kind of random videos or pics people share. No matter where they came from (it used to be a site called "Dumpert" in the Netherlands before which is also on my "highly annoying" list). I'm just too polite to tell them to piss off with their videos :P That's really the core problem here.

But TikTok associates itself by putting their logo on the videos which is something I haven't seen before.

Re: Amazon says email banning TikTok from employee phones was ‘sent in error’

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Post by manquer »

che_shirecat wrote: post #393
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, the clipboard snooping problem. If you’re using a password-manager (like we’re supposed to!) and use it to copy passwords (say, your Amazon employee internal credentials...) while you have TikTok open, the TikTok app would see it and could upload it somewhere. ...and we only know about this issue now because iOS 14 adds clipboard snooping notifications - and that was only a month ago! Think about the stuff t…

So, like LinkedIn and Reddit? (the site that the "researcher" behind these NYT-cited claims is using) [1] You could run through the toplist of apps and find hundreds that exhibit the same behavior. Not trying to derail this via whataboutism, I just feel like the core HN ethos is lost when we mindlessly repeat the obvious geopolitically-driven narrative here without any critical thinking. What I definitely do understa…

For amazon if Tiktok does it , it is state funded corporate espionage. Amazon is not in position to sue and win over a Chinese company in China if they copy their IP. If LinkedIn does it and MS launches something copying their tech , amazon can sure use in US court and likely win so they are not concerned at the same level
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