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Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by mrep »

emerongi wrote: post #290
blantonl wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the very brightest software engineers in the world work at Facebook. As much as I would love to rip on Facebook, I also understand that integrated software development is hard, and I guarantee you that Facebook is "doing it better" than most. Don't sit in an ivory tower and throw stones in glass houses. Can you guarantee that your own SDLC house is in order? Because it might be, right up until a sneaky edge c…

If an industry leader with "the brightest software engineers in the world" is unable to write their software to a higher than average standard, then I think I am in the very reasonable position to point it out and raise discussion about it. Don't place me in an ivory tower for that. Why should we just sweep this under the rug and call it a day? There is something very important that can be learned from this. Apparent…

Why are you so angry about Facebook, Apple, Google, and Spotify having a tiny outage? They are not life saving services and only cause a mild inconvenience when they fail which practically never happens for most people especially compared to "average software".

> FB themselves have not learned, because this is not the first time this has happened.

They have tens of thousands of engineers likely split into hundreds of different teams/microservices focussing on different parts of their software stack. A ton of them are new to it and nobody knows every part of the stack so shit can happen.

What is the biggest engineering organization size you have worked for and what was your uptime?

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by rapind »

whatshisface wrote: post #392
Barrin92 wrote: post #381

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this is a pretty simple way to absolve people of responsibility. Just because an institution has compartmentalized tasks, so that every single individual team appears to do nothing wrong, doesn't mean this actually absolves individuals, because following that logic obviously nobody would ever be responsible for anything. It's like Kierkegaard's example of the mob who collectively intimidates but every member argues t…

> this is a pretty simple way to absolve people of responsibility. Consider this menu of possible ways to be associated with a human rights violation: - Do it yourself. - Be a part of the chain of command that ordered it. - Be commanded by the chain of command that ordered it. - Be part of the same organization as the one that contains the chain of command that ordered it. - Be a member of the society that contains t…

Every one of your last two points are voluntary. I have more sympathy for the individual who tries to change their society through democratic means (voting) than the person complicit with violations because of a paycheck.

Even so there's a lot of nuance. The senior engineer doesn't have to work at one of these companies to survive, but there are cases further down the totem pole with far fewer options.

It's pretty simple. If you want to make millions and don't give a shit how you do it, then I can't arrest you for it. But fuck you if you want me to sympathize with you about this oh so difficult choice.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by BobbyJo »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #377
BobbyJo wrote: post #375

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Have you ever worked at a large company? Really the only thing that groups the whole thing together is the legal entity. Different teams within the same company are essentially different companies once you reach a certain scale. I see no reason to disparage the good work one group does, because of a different group of people they've never met before, for no other reason than they share a CEO. A CEO that neither group…

> Have you ever worked at a large company? yes - and I've done incredibly well during it. I also know change doesn't come for free. the sad thing is the bigger the companies the smaller the spines of the individuals working there.

How much change have you effected in all your time there that you did so well? How much power over projects you deemed immoral did you have? More or less than a random person on the street? Do you feel more responsibility for immoral projects that took place in this large company than for things going on within FB or GOOG?

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by kevingadd »

markmark wrote: post #384
notacoward wrote: post #168

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> They may need some better QA There's no such thing as QA at Facebook. Really. Developers are supposedly responsible for all testing of their own code, but all of the pressure is to "move fast" so that goes about as well as you'd expect.

Looks like it's going pretty well, Facebook is currently worth 700 billion dollars. Or is that not what you meant?

Close a great venture capital round, suddenly you've got a big pile of money in the bank and your company's valuation is really high. That means you're successful!

Make a lot of money selling lifetime subscriptions, then have nowhere to go for cash next year: look at all that money! I'm very successful now!

If all you're measuring and optimizing for is "valuation" or "revenue" you're not automatically going to get a good product or happy customers...

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by ByteJockey »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #372
beagle3 wrote: post #64

Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

with all the daily (justified) outrage against FB/Google I struggle to understand why the community here is happy to applaud these companies for its innovation on specific projects or the work of specific engineers, ... whether it's project-zero or some fb framework we seem to be OK with praising their employees while at the same time hating how they use that innovation. some serious cognitive dissonace is going on -…

There's a long history of that. AT&T used to have a stranglehold on communications and had some seriously bad practices.

But they also produced some really cool tech. Unix being the obvious one to bring up on this site.

That era is romanticized to hell (including by me), and Ritchie, Thompson, and the like are folk heroes. Despite being engineers at the subsidiary of a giant monopolistic entity.

Ultimately, for people who think the tech is cool, it doesn't matter where it comes from. In 50 years people will be romanticizing the era of the FAANG companies (more than they already do) the same way we romanticize bell labs.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by kerbs »

vsareto wrote: post #333
adamparsons wrote: post #330

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90% of people in this thread think “native code” is a react plugin

I don't, but I'm fairly sure there is a solution and others just don't want to try hard enough

Can validate, no reasonable way.

Removed the SDK myself from a top 100 App Store app.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by maxbond »

bzb3 wrote: post #215
noja wrote: post #140

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The platform lock-in because of this is immense.

Maybe so, but it doesn't benefit either platform.

It may not _favor_ either platform but I'd say they both benefit.

In ecology, it's rare to species compete to extinction or exclusion from a niche. It's much more common to observe segmentation. It's a lower energy state for birds to mate at different times, eat leaves from different parts of the same tree, etc., dividing the resources of their niche among themselves, than to force each other out of the niche completely.

The situation is analogous. I'm sure they'd destroy each other if they could, but it's obviously not happening right now. It's much easier to say, you can have your current users, we'll have ours, and we'll focus our energy on capturing emerging markets. Which is why you see them racing to provide free internet to developing countries and such.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by 6510 »

scarface74 wrote: post #212
cerberusss wrote: post #199

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What makes you sure it's not on purpose? I don't disagree, I'm just curious about your statement.

Why would WhatsApp want to make it hard to stay on their platform?

Thats a different question but 1) they know and 2) they can fix it fast therefore 3) it is on purpose

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by 6510 »

whatshisface wrote: post #392
Barrin92 wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is a pretty simple way to absolve people of responsibility. Just because an institution has compartmentalized tasks, so that every single individual team appears to do nothing wrong, doesn't mean this actually absolves individuals, because following that logic obviously nobody would ever be responsible for anything. It's like Kierkegaard's example of the mob who collectively intimidates but every member argues t…

> this is a pretty simple way to absolve people of responsibility. Consider this menu of possible ways to be associated with a human rights violation: - Do it yourself. - Be a part of the chain of command that ordered it. - Be commanded by the chain of command that ordered it. - Be part of the same organization as the one that contains the chain of command that ordered it. - Be a member of the society that contains t…

That one had already been answered:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.

edit: In case it isn't clear: You just chose sides right there in your comment.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Post by flywheel »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #372
beagle3 wrote: post #64

Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

with all the daily (justified) outrage against FB/Google I struggle to understand why the community here is happy to applaud these companies for its innovation on specific projects or the work of specific engineers, ... whether it's project-zero or some fb framework we seem to be OK with praising their employees while at the same time hating how they use that innovation. some serious cognitive dissonace is going on -…

Cambridge Analytica was evil from the start. Blackwater was pretty evil from the start. Yeah, companies can be evil.
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