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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

pagade wrote: post #283
pcx wrote: post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

I am really surprised no one has mentioned https://zenkit.com/ . Kanban - Wiki - Calendar - List - Mindmap - Hierarchy etc. It does those things very well.

Probably because it seems to be less known than Notion. IIRC it's a bit more expensive and more constrainend than notion, more targeted at teams than single users.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by hsrada »

iliaznk wrote: post #63
avolcano wrote: post #5

This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…

Got about the same feeling, but then I noticed that this free personal plan allows only 5mb of file uploads as opposed to the unlimited uploads in the paid plan, which is one of my use cases – I store quite a lot of files there as a personal software archive, and then I felt relieved.

The 5mb is a per file size. You can still upload unlimited files as long as they're less than 5mb.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

zestyping wrote: post #219
brainzap wrote: post #65

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I miss Trello: add task, edit, save.

Can anyone explain to me why Trello is so popular? I'm serious; I honestly don't get it. If I want to track tasks, I just make a Google Spreadsheet with a row for each task. This scales up easily to a hundred tasks or so, and it's straightforward to filter on a column to focus on particular categories or statuses. In Trello, I can see maybe 30 cards max before my screen space is all used up, and I spend so much time…

> Can anyone explain to me why Trello is so popular? I'm serious; I honestly don't get it.

It's sleek, powerful, constrained and optimized for it's single purpose, while still remain flexibel enough to give space. Also scales up nice for multiple users, from 2+, teams, 2+ departments and even whole companies or even more. And it also works on most platforms effortless.

> If I want to track tasks, I just make a Google Spreadsheet with a row for each task.

That reads horrible. How do you manage richtext with Spreadsheet? Links? Pictures? How do you collaborate with others? How does this get automated and integrate with other systems? How do you get a sane overview of the state of your tasks and projects? Sure, more or less all possible, but not on the level of quality you get from a specialized and over a long time optimized solution. And you need to invest the time to build this all first.

> So why would you use Trello when you could use a Google Spreadsheet and get things done twice as fast?

More like ten times slower.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

pcx wrote: post #64
Scarbutt wrote: post #58

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Sounds like the curse of Emacs.

I am a 10yr+ Emacs user, this hit too close to home than I would like! I am seeing a lot of momentum in Emacs ecosystem for last couple of years and Spacemacs rocks! So hopefully it's gonna get better :)

Spacemacs is still alive? I tried it some years ago and it had several problem at the time. Does not seems have solved them yet.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by [deleted] »

pedrocx486 wrote: post #349
fastball wrote: post #312

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What exactly is your definition of ethical? Because a little box at the bottom of a webpage that just sits there does not really cross the unethical line for me. For me, this is only a dark pattern if the cookie banner makes the site unusable (as many sites do) until you click "Yes". Ours clearly does not. Regardless, the initial accusation was: > If you're not giving people a choice, why even pretend? Which is clear…

I don't have a horse in this discussion but... > There is a very real choice I don't see a 'No' button... I love the app, really, but that isn't nice. Also a GDPR violation for those in the EU.

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Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

komali2 wrote: post #117
Scarbutt wrote: post #58

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Sounds like the curse of Emacs.

Certainly is, though slowly but surely you zero in on the "best configuration" for yourself. Whereas when I was using vscode, onenote, google keep, and a bunch of other shit to manage everything, I had "topped out" at productivity. I'm trash at vim (I use evil-mode), org mode, and org-agenda, but I'm still lightyears ahead of where I was 2 years ago before I used these tools.

> I had "topped out" at productivity.

Did you topped out the tool or your personal ability?

> but I'm still lightyears ahead of where I was 2 years ago before I used these tools.

But is this because of the tools, the gain of new experiences or the 2 years difference?

And how do you know whether you are really moved forward, and not just run in circles appearing busy without being more productive? Do you have some objective metric for this?

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

intopieces wrote: post #69
avolcano wrote: post #5

This is kinda weird, because I was happily giving them $4/month after running out of space in their trial plan, and now I absolutely have no reason to keep giving them money. Which, sure, I guess I'll take it. My $4/month isn't going to make or break their business and they probably barely give a shit about getting money for personal usage. Does remind me that my usage of their app doesn't align with their business m…

Are there any open source Notion alternatives? This is the main benefit of open source software, in my mind: no one can "take" it from you because it doesn't belong to "them" in the same way that a product does.

No. There are tools doing similar stuff of some aspects of Notion. But the main benefit of Notion is the interface and collection of ability. And there is nothing like that at the moment. But the question is what you really want. Maybe you are just care for some specific aspect, not the whole tool?

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by slightwinder »

marvinblum wrote: post #246
dive wrote: post #208

I tried the Notion twice. It looks good, works fine and has a reasonable price. But. You cannot write notes in this application. Literally. You can build tables, resize images, align lists in different shapes, have a dashboard for all thousand cases you have with favourites photos as headers, filter views with a million conditions, manage to-dos and project with kanban, ..., but you cannot write simple notes. The int…

Hey there, we've thought about that too and came up with a new user interface concept. Emvi [1] supports interlinked articles already and you can search through your notes easily. But we found the current user interface to inefficient for both, simple note taking and collaboration. You can read about our new concept here: https://emvi.com/blog/a-new-experimental-user-interface-QMZg... It will come out in about three…

Is this a alternative frontend for notion? Or what do you mean?

From the look of it this seems like another poor implementation of the same old tricks and concepts which everyone already know and uses.

Re: Notion for everyone

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Post by discreteevent »

omnimus wrote: post #388
jdhornby wrote: post #75

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I’ve had a similar experience with Notion. “Jack of all trades and master of none” resonates strongly with me. This lead me to my latest startup https://froosthq.com/ which is Notion inspired and aimed solely at software teams.

Funnily enough originaly the saying was "A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one." Seems like it got pretty skewed over time.

Specialization is for insects.

https://wiki.c2.com/?SpecializationIsForInsects

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