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Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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Stripe cofounder here. This isn't really new -- it's an extension of our last round ( https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/fintech-start-up-stripe-notc... ). That said, we've seen a big spike in signups over the past few weeks. If any HN readers have integrated recently and have feedback, we're always eager to hear it. Feel free to email me at patrick@stripe.com and I'll route to the right team(s). As always, thank you to…

My top issues running my business on Stripe: 1) Many countries still only allow depositing a single currency (i.e. Aus/AUD), doubling the cost of transaction due to the currency conversion, even tripling when we have to convert it back to pay our bills. I always get told either "soon", or "not possible due to the law", despite competitors doing it. 2) If we were an EU company, we'd get charged 1.4%+25c on transaction…

> If any non-EU companies know a cheaper way to process transactions in the EU, I'm all ears...

Depending on your volume, it's really not expensive to setup a legal entity in the UK. Since UK is leaving (unsure if EU financial access will continue) Ireland is a good alternative. A UK company costs Perhaps there's merchant-of-record services too, that are incorporated in the EU and I believe legally act as an agent to sell your product.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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post #75

Stripe cofounder here. This isn't really new -- it's an extension of our last round ( https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/fintech-start-up-stripe-notc... ). That said, we've seen a big spike in signups over the past few weeks. If any HN readers have integrated recently and have feedback, we're always eager to hear it. Feel free to email me at patrick@stripe.com and I'll route to the right team(s). As always, thank you to…

I'm late, so you probably won't see this (might shoot you an email with this same thought.), but I want to echo a piece of feedback I sent to you last year (and the year before I think):

Faster checkout. And improved trust (somehow).

I hear you folks acquired fast.co which seems to be a step in this direction. Entering card details on every site is problematic. Some customers are still worried about it and prefer to use PayPal. Indeed, when I offer both as an option, and make clear Stripe payments go via Stripe and we don't see details, about 80% of people choose to pay with PayPal.

Stripe Checkout, being on your platform and not our sites, seems to be a step in the right direction. I'd also like to see faster payments. My opinion: checkout takes too long. Sites making people create accounts, go through 4 pages and then enter card is bad.

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I think, honestly, integrating fast.co into Stripe and making it highly encouraged is the future. Go a step further and encourage sites to stop making users create accounts. SSO-style system, perhaps, but easy to integrate. Authentication is a pain for me as a customer on sites - I have too many accounts and it drains a lot of time combined. I really think your company has the power to make a difference to this problem.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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As far as I'm aware, Stripe has no tax product comparable to what a merchant of record like Paddle offers. Has this changed?

Hey! I'm another Stripe working on tax compliance pain points. Would be keen to chat about your experience with Paddle and specifically what type of solution you are looking for w/r/t tax and/or product fulfillment. If you're up to chat, email me at kmoriarty@stripe.com. Either way, thanks for the feedback!

Just so I'm not misleading anyone, we're not actually using Paddle ourselves. I elaborated on why we ruled it out in another comment[1].

To explain where we're coming from here, I personally learned a classic first-time entrepreneur lesson the hard way some years ago: if we're not a payments business then we should focus on what we are, not on payment mechanics.

The first time I started a B2C, I naively thought I could do better, and to be fair, I really did implement a simple, robust, flexible system that fit our needs well. But over time, even the better payment services started breaking APIs and neglecting documentation and dropping customer service standards and increasing prices, and maintaining those integrations became painful. Governments started changing their regulations and tax rules, and updating our systems to keep up with the ever-changing compliance and tax obligations become painful too. We also found that fraud and chargebacks weren't a significant problem for us, but surprisingly, churn due to unreliable card charges was unbelievably bad and could turn an otherwise healthy growth rate negative all on its own, which was not a good combination with the aforementioned drop in standards at the payment services.

What we're now looking for, in a nutshell, is a service to which we can outsource payment processing, subscription management, and all of the sales tax collection, reporting and remittance obligations. I don't want to use APIs or webhooks any more than I absolutely have to. I want to fill in correct, context-aware, all-inclusive prices on our pricing page with ideally one line of code. I want to hand our customers off smoothly to a well-designed, batteries-included sign-up flow with ideally one line of code. I want a simple notification to reach my server when a customer has paid us so we can have our systems respond accordingly, and I want simple notifications if anything has gone wrong so we can contact our customer or payment service and deal with it.

I do not want to know what the current sales tax rates are in Western Nowhere, Somecountry, and I certainly do not want to have to sign up for a government programme and file reports and remit taxes there because once upon a time we had one customer who signed up for one month and we collected 1.50 Nowheredollars in sales tax.

I do not want to have any UI on my site and therefore any code behind it for upgrading, downgrading, cancelling, refunding, retrying failed charges or sending flowers on my customer's birthday, except to the extent that we provide a simple way for a customer to indicate they want to do something and we can then hand off the mechanics to the payment service if we agree, again ideally with one line of code.

I do want a simple, effective dashboard facility on the payment service that lets me see and control all of those things (well, maybe not the flowers) and any other relevant settings if I want to, and I want it to be somebody else's problem to implement and maintain that facility.

I don't know what proportion of our revenues we'd be willing to give up for a service like that, but it would be far higher than anything we pay to any payment service today.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22896600

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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post #75

Stripe cofounder here. This isn't really new -- it's an extension of our last round ( https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/19/fintech-start-up-stripe-notc... ). That said, we've seen a big spike in signups over the past few weeks. If any HN readers have integrated recently and have feedback, we're always eager to hear it. Feel free to email me at patrick@stripe.com and I'll route to the right team(s). As always, thank you to…

My top issues running my business on Stripe: 1) Many countries still only allow depositing a single currency (i.e. Aus/AUD), doubling the cost of transaction due to the currency conversion, even tripling when we have to convert it back to pay our bills. I always get told either "soon", or "not possible due to the law", despite competitors doing it. 2) If we were an EU company, we'd get charged 1.4%+25c on transaction…

Can you get an EU subsidiary or something like a TransferWise account where you can receive any currency? Not sure how well it interacts with Stripe but it should work.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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Would you mind sharing your percentage of fraud with the two services? (I assume you are using Braintree.) Honestly, you are the first person to make a good case on using PayPal over Stripe. Especially with the arbitrary horror stories I hear about PayPal all the time. > It's a shame Stripe doesn't offer the Radar service (helps detect and prevent fraud) with custom rules as part of their normal service. You can only…

I use Stripe and PayPal currently but on the next platform I'm currently building I'm strongly (and very seriously) considering Braintree. With PayPal, the fraud experience has been nothing short of amazing. Out of many many thousands of transactions, I've only had about 3 or 4 transactions get flagged as high risk by PayPal. What this means is PayPal will hold the funds, review the transaction and then either give y…

Just want to say I've had the opposite experience.

Stripe has blocked multiple fraudulent transactions for me. PayPal has let multiple through which are clearly fraudulent just from me looking from my end. I recently had a case where a customer tried to pay with a stolen card on Stripe, got blocked with maximum risk score, so they created a PayPal account and used that. The payment went through, got hit with a chargeback and a fee a few weeks later. Product was automatically given - digital goods. PayPal refused to cover the costs and passed it through.

I've never had a dispute raised on Stripe. I've had multiple on PayPal.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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My experience mightn't be typical but I recently had a dispute on Stripe that went a lot smoother. A customer disputed 3 monthly subscription transactions. After providing evidence it was resolved in our favour within a week. I had low hopes because the server logs were long gone (over 90 days). However I had logs from our email provider showing reads and clicks from our emails so I sent a screenshot of that. I said…

All of what you provided as proof was what I submit too. I've won 100% of the disputes where it was pretty clear the person wanted to just grab the content for free and then do a charge back. The problem is Stripe not blocking the real fraudulent transactions where a bad actor stole someones credit card and signed up with that. These are the ones where I've lost 100% of the time (for good reason since it was fraud).…

Can I ask how do you win those? I've lost many of these via PayPal. Customer can claim goods not working all the way to "not my card, my kid bought it without my consent".

I asked PayPal for their advice, and on that advice I keep email confirmation, IPs and timestamps of download, login, registration and payment IPs, billing address, etc. -- doesn't seem to help when I submit it all as evidence.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My top issues running my business on Stripe: 1) Many countries still only allow depositing a single currency (i.e. Aus/AUD), doubling the cost of transaction due to the currency conversion, even tripling when we have to convert it back to pay our bills. I always get told either "soon", or "not possible due to the law", despite competitors doing it. 2) If we were an EU company, we'd get charged 1.4%+25c on transaction…

> If any non-EU companies know a cheaper way to process transactions in the EU, I'm all ears... Depending on your volume, it's really not expensive to setup a legal entity in the UK. Since UK is leaving (unsure if EU financial access will continue) Ireland is a good alternative. A UK company costs Perhaps there's merchant-of-record services too, that are incorporated in the EU and I believe legally act as an agent to…

  A UK company costs 
Accounting included ?

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If any non-EU companies know a cheaper way to process transactions in the EU, I'm all ears... Depending on your volume, it's really not expensive to setup a legal entity in the UK. Since UK is leaving (unsure if EU financial access will continue) Ireland is a good alternative. A UK company costs Perhaps there's merchant-of-record services too, that are incorporated in the EU and I believe legally act as an agent to…

A UK company costs Accounting included ?

No. But you don't necessarily need an accountant in the UK.

Off the top of my head, the Companies House filing fee of around £15/yr, an address for the company (around £50/yr) are all you require to hold a UK company.

For a tech company that uses Xero and feeds in invoices programmatically filing the statutory returns by an accountant might cost £1000/yr (or 0 if you wish to DIY, the UK's HMRC makes self-filing easy unlike the IRS). Plus £360/yr for Xero (free accounting software probably won't cut it).

VAT returns and PAYE returns are pretty easy to self-file; Xero does them automatically and HMRC provides free software for it. The annual statutory accounts are more difficult, and you probably want an accountant.

Rough figures: if you want to be cheap, use Xero discounts and DIY, it's around £500/yr. With an accountant, but you still doing some of the work, perhaps £1500/yr.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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I'm not familiar with Paddle versus Stripe, what are (some of) the dealbreakers? And does Stripe not have these same dealbreakers?

Among other things, it appears that Paddle 1. reserves the right to unilaterally vary the contract in any way, with immediate effect and without actively notifying the merchant 2. ensures that if anything goes wrong, any legal action against it by its merchants would have to be taken in another country and under another legal system, even if Paddle operates in the merchant's own country 3. takes extensive control of…

I've taken a look at the terms, and it seems to me like they are more for when Paddle acts as your ecommerce store rather than just your payment gateway. This is where the right to demo and sell the product shows up, because without that, you wouldn't be able to use Paddle to sell your product. Again, this is not the same as what Stripe is offering, it's more akin to Gumroad, Podia, and the like. Also, while I understand appeal to authority to not be the most trusting of options, it seems like many other well-known companies use Paddle, and I assume their legal teams have scoured through Paddle's terms of use, so it looks good enough for me.

Re: Stripe raises $600M at nearly $36B valuation

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Is this country-specific perhaps? I'm in Canada and it's no problem for me to withdraw USD to a Canadian-based USD account.

Stripe only support USD accounts in USA and Canada.

Which is already better than Paypal. They don’t support USD account in Canada. That’s the main reason I’m using Stripe now. But seems like Braintree support USD account in Canada. Anyone can confirm?
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