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Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Florida's upsides: No Sales Tax. If you're not looking for waterfront, housing is super affordable. Amazing place if you're single. Florida's Downsides: Homeless are more aggressive than in SF. Florida Man. Frequently 10% sales tax in most places due to lack of income tax. Higher property taxes if you're in a really progressive area. You're swapping out earthquakes for hurricanes. A lot of "Keeping up with the Jones'…

I'm still trying to understand how it all works in the USA, so please bear with me. What do you mean by "No Sales Tax", then go on to say "Frequently 10% sales tax"?

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Native North Carolinian checking in. I'm from Charlotte and I can honestly say that I grew up with more friends who had parents from New York than from NC. A lot of middle class people from upstate NY settled in Charlotte due to the economic opportunities and weather. I'd wager that this migration really started about 30 years ago, and we're seeing the numbers increase even further due to network effects. For example…

Washingtonians (and moreso Idahoans) are particularly irate about Californians moving in, and have been for as long as I can remember. There are a lot of "salt of the earth" types who, regardless of political persuasion, see Californians representing big houses, loose morals, and heavy traffic. The Northwest ethos has been one of eclectic flavors of stoicism, serenity, and a nordic work ethic. Californians, in their…

I find this to be a really interesting perspective. "Big houses"? Who can afford a big house in CA? "Chaotic, cutthroat energy"? I grew up on the east coast and have found CA to be much more easygoing to the point that I don't think I could go back.

I do like my loose morals, though ;)

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every large city in this country is run by democrats. Texas is no different.

No, it's not. Ft. Worth is run by Republicans. San Diego, Jacksonville, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Fresno, Mesa, Omaha, Colorado Springs, Miami, Virginia Beach, Tulsa, Arlington...all have Republican mayors.

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're right in that it's a common phrase in conversation. It just doesn't seem appropriate for a new outlet that attempts to be more-objective than sensationalist. I do see this is an opinion rather than a regular article, but still ... "Hemorrhaging" evokes memories of bleeding, indicating severe danger. I pay a lot of attention to metaphors after reading "Metaphors We Live By" (an excellent classic book).

No, it’s quite common in all kinds of media outlets. Serious news, sports news, opinion pieces, left wing, right wing, entertainment, startups, investing... you’d be hard pressed to find a news outlet that doesn’t use the word “hemorrhaging” in reference to non-blood things. Most words have more than one meaning, this one included. Here’s one from Entrepreneur: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/284063 New York Tim…

"hemorrhaging money and going out of business" seems a lot more palatable to me (good analogy: humans bleed to death, companies 'bleed' money to 'death').

It feels overly catastrophic to use the word when some people are moving out of a state. I thought America prides itself on "mobility".

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

> Petty crime is increasing, and state laws are only enabling this - people are sick of it. I wonder if people considered voting the politicians who made these laws out. Judging from CA voting patterns, probably not. And then when it gets really bad, they move to another state and likely vote for the same policies that caused them to move in the first place.

So, I presume you have the legislative solution for homelessness? I'm sure lots of people would be very interested, so let's hear it.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…

Can you talk more about the state laws? Are they not discouraging homelessness or are they too weak on petty crime?

The second one, as far as I'm aware (not from California): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would actually work in favor of Republican-inclined voters, though not necessarily the party itself. By allowing anyone to vote, Democrat candidates are incentivized to be more moderate, because a vote from a Republican is as good as another from a Democrat. Without open primaries, a Democratic-only primary pretty much decides the winner, and a candidate only has to appeal to fellow Democrats.

Yeah, no. Reality doesn’t bear out with your theory.

Uh, yeah. Reality does bear out your theory. The extremes have been muted on both sides.

Yes, if your views are at the extremes, you have less voice. That's a FEATURE, not a bug. And I feel no sympathy for you.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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There is something about California that really brings out the whining and hypocrisy in conservatives. They want to move there for the big bucks in tech, but they don't want to be a minority party/culture. CA has lots of problems, but when I hear "housing is too expensive, lots of homelessness and petty crime, AND it's so liberal that they just can't fix anything," I know the last one is the key. They complain about the NIMBYs who keep real-estate prices high (as if that were the only thing), complain that no one is building denser housing, then leave and move to sprawling suburbia with it's HOAs and de-facto segregated zoning. Go try to build a 4-plex in your new neighborhood, then get back to us.

Cue all the complaints about the entrenched residents in their Prop 13 homes or rent-controlled units, building permits and red tape nightmares. Yes, there is a problem. You not making it and having to move away (after moving there 2 or 3 years ago) is not the problem. Look at it this way, the system is working for 80-90% of the long-term residents, and they're aware of the hardships for the disadvantaged among them. Why should they go out of their way to accomodate conservatives who want to undermine their tax-and-spend heaven?

As for the Democrats who leave CA and vote Democrat elsewhere, why not? They didn't get in early enough on this wealth train (OK, jokes about CAHSR will be tolerated), so they're going somewhere else, and trying to get it started there. CA is defined by excess of liberal values, elswhere by lack, so they're just trying to bring some moderation. They won't be very successful, and I will tell them not to go whining about the conservative values in their new home, so there.

California just is. It's the world's 4th largest economy by itself. For good or ill, it's home to so many internet companies (and other industries) that have made so much money in the internet revolution that it has skewed its cost-of-living and real-estate markets off the charts. It has made many of its residents fabulously weathly, both in relative and absolute terms, and they want to stay and enjoy it mostly the way it is. In SF/SV, it has redefined middle-class at around 300K combined income, and that money (at least what's not dedicated to housing) drives a lot of other sectors (public transit, restaurants, and other quality-of-life businesses). Yeah, I know, all those have issues and/or are overpriced, no need to comment to say that. It also leans very liberal in the coastal cities, meaning tolerance, compassion, social justice, sanctuary, etc. It seems like they still have a democracy, and since they're still the majority, they get to keep experimenting. It's not going anywhere, and it's not going to change much, and certainly not because of the whining. Deal with it.

Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?

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Pittsburgh is great.

There was a recent article about a googler who suffered from Industrial air pollution and claims Pittsburgh is not a place to move to.

And about 10 articles debunking it. Pittsburgh's air quality is roughly on par with the bay area. Granted, it ain't great but compared to where else Google is based? shrug

ex: https://weather.com/news/news/2019-04-24-most-air-polluted-c...

Balance this against a growing tech scene (Fintech, robotics, self driving, all sorts of interesting stuff. No VC money but there are orgs like PNC's Numo and CMU investing), a great food scene (Walters makes bang'n brisket but Spork is the best place to eat in the city), pretty good cultural events (the ballet is probably my favorite), easy access to NY/DC/etc, and an excellent cost of living (my 3 bedroom, 1.5 bath was 160k and has appreciated 25k in 2 years).

Clarion coke works to the southeast is absolutely an air pollution quagmire but it has little to no impact on the city (except potentially the extreme east side). Biggest downside is we're stuck in Pennsylvania.

To the Googler's point, Google's office is located in Bakery Square. This is directly next to Penn Avenue which is a major thoroughfare. If you spent most of your time next to bumper to bumper traffic it'd be likely you'd have a poor opinion of Pittsburgh's air quality even though it's entirely unrepresentative of the city as a whole.

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