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You may have hinted at it, but I think Apple's subsequent turnaround after acquiring Next was mainly due to their founder, Steve Jobs, coming back to Apple.
Jobs helped enormously, of course, but if Apple was still trying to sell classic MacOS in 2005 I'm not sure even Steve Jobs could have kept them afloat long enough to ship an iPhone.
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I'm not sure I've ever encountered someone so invested in the "great man" theory of history. Jobs was obviously talented, but assuming no matter where he went he would have had the same level of success is discounting a lot of luck in how everything lined up,and who was available to help bring all the things to market jobs is famous for. There's no guarantee the hundreds or thousands of people that were also essentia…
“Those people deserve respect and recognition too.” ORLY? Name them. -- Not “great man”. Great vision . Geeks tend massively to overrate the importance technical aptitude, which is what they’re good at, and underrate everything else—business experience, sales skills, market savvy, and other soft skills—which they’re not. Contrast someone like Jobs, who understood the technical side well enough to be able to surround…
I would also say, Jobs had a far, far higher regard for technical talent than you do. He was absolutely obsessed with finding the absolute best engineering and technical people to work for him so he could deliver his vision. He recognized the value of Woz's talents more than Woz himself. He gathered the original Mac team. If he had, say, a random group of Microsoft or IBM developers, the Mac never would have happened. Same with Next, many of whom were still around to deliver iOS and the iPhone.
Your take is like a professional sports manager saying having good athletes isn't important, the quality of the manager's managing is the only thing that matters.
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OS X was around in the days of XP and Linux was perfectly usable on the desktop. A few years earlier things were a little more bleak.
> OS X was around in the days of XP and Linux was perfectly usable on the desktop. > A few years earlier things were a little more bleak. I admit I was unclear on the time I was talking about, and probably inadvertently mangled a few things. As for Linux in the XP era, I was using it, yes, but I wouldn't recommend it to others back then because it still had pretty hard sticking points with regards to what hardware it…
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You are still getting confused by polygons. It was a 3D space that you could move around in. The matter of how it was rendered is an implementation detail.
You coudn't look up and down, neither you could do with DN3D. I am not confused, the opposite. I grew up with that.
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NeXTSTEP pretty directly evolved into iOS, though, so it was certainly a significant asset in the acquisition, too.
True, but a technology is only a means to an end, not an end itself. What sells is product. You may have the finest tech on the planet—and that means precisely squat. What counts is putting bums on seats. Your seats. And keeping them there. Limps of tech are just a vehicle for that; to be used, abused, chewed up, and/or discarded on the road(s) to that end. Apple could have done better; they certainly did plenty wors…
You shouldn't talk about Sun like that.
Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X
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You may have hinted at it, but I think Apple's subsequent turnaround after acquiring Next was mainly due to their founder, Steve Jobs, coming back to Apple.
That's true, but most keep forgetting that even before his comeback, Apple was very close to filing for bankruptcy and who knows what would have happened without the intervention from Gates. Microsoft was the only juggernaut who's fate was never doubted in the 1980s - 1990s. NeXT hardware also failed but was the rightful choice for Apple over Be due to getting NeXTSTEP and Jobs again. But even after the war is over,…
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Check out this video[0], basically an Amiga with an accelerator card potentially makes for the fastest environment to run 68k-based Mac OS (System 7) ... [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jph0gxzL3UI
Whoa, the Amiga is faster even though it's running in a VM!
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Linux could do that in 2001 just fine, and without crashing like Windows. XV was amazing. So was MPlayer.
High definition playback is still not as smooth as it could be in browsers on Linux (or if your CPU is fast enough, it will drain your battery more quickly), because most browsers only have experimental support for video acceleration. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hardware_video_accelera...
Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X
#409That's sad Haiku won't get traction. An viable alternative on the desktop PC OS market would be a great thing to have (even on a commercial basis, not necessarily for free). Linux for 1% geeks, MacOS X for Apple hardware owners and Windows for everybody else does not seem like a healthy competition. Android, iOS, Chrome, Facebook - everything is monopolized nowadays. Governments should really consider supporting alte…
Unfortunately the way the PC market is makes it basically impossible for a new desktop OS to show up at this point. The hurdle in drivers alone would be insane, and the easy solution to that is to only target a small set of hardware which effectively makes you a hardware company (kinda like Apple), but that probably won't work either since people are a lot less likely to try out your OS if they need to buy a new comp…
Perhaps with this idea the only companies able to do this are Apple, Microsoft and Google. Every other OS aiming to be a new desktop OS has essentially failed. Including the Linux desktop community and everyone else.
The desktop OS market only has room for 2 or luckily 3 and always requires at least a billion-dollar (in profit) tech company with such resources to even plan for years to do such a thing. Hence the fierce competition in this space, some may ask themselves why bother.
> but that probably won't work either since people are a lot less likely to try out your OS if they need to buy a new computer to do so.
The exception to that is Google with ChromeOS (Laptops) and Android (Mobile) which they're probably both replacing with Fuchsia. I'd expect Fuchsia running pixelbooks and phones to arrive in this decade. Which will make the desktop market as Windows, macOS and Fuchsia OS.
Re: BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X
#410That's sad Haiku won't get traction. An viable alternative on the desktop PC OS market would be a great thing to have (even on a commercial basis, not necessarily for free). Linux for 1% geeks, MacOS X for Apple hardware owners and Windows for everybody else does not seem like a healthy competition. Android, iOS, Chrome, Facebook - everything is monopolized nowadays. Governments should really consider supporting alte…
Unfortunately the way the PC market is makes it basically impossible for a new desktop OS to show up at this point. The hurdle in drivers alone would be insane, and the easy solution to that is to only target a small set of hardware which effectively makes you a hardware company (kinda like Apple), but that probably won't work either since people are a lot less likely to try out your OS if they need to buy a new comp…