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Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by teachrdan »

mikepurvis wrote: post #288
sylens wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stadia is a brute force attempt to grow GCP revenue

The Stadia pro tier fee is just $9.99/mo. The GPU and CPU you could consume playing a AAA game on that (yes, even on the purported "medium" settings) for just a few hours a day surely far exceeds what it could be sold for wholesale.

Don't forget that they're selling the games, too--and some Stadia games are up to $10 more (!) than their non-Stadia counterparts.

(Incidentally, and you lose the game if you cancel your Stadia subscription.)

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by juped »

jabart wrote: post #227
harryh wrote: post #85

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If you're a startup you should seriously consider colocation for as many of your workloads as possible The vast majority of startups do not succeed or fail based upon their ability to control their datacenter spend. They succeed or fail based upon their ability to attract customers and grow revenue. Colocating and managing your own servers instead of taking advantage of the ease of using the cloud will only be a dist…

Hi, startup here, with a colo and an AWS bill. The amount of time spent per a month on tasks that "AWS Handles" is almost 0 month to month. Maybe 4 trips a year into the DC. Calculating our AWS bill for fully replacing the colo is well over 4x using small 4-8gb instances. Our virtualization hosts(plural) have 64gb ram+ and 24 cores. That allows me not to focus on any scale issue since I can just shove everything into…

I don't know what your company is but knowing it's sensibly renting rack space rather than jumping on the cloud bandwagon because it's the path of least resistance would give me confidence if I were a potential customer.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by juped »

lallysingh wrote: post #279
bhl wrote: post #244

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I always see google reader talked about on hackernews, but has a comparable product not have been made by someone else yet?

There are plenty, actually. But RSS itself is essentially dead. At least compared to what it was.

How is it dead? Everything still exports RSS feeds.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by mulmen »

Touche wrote: post #382
prepend wrote: post #350

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I don’t think Google internally uses GCP. So a direct competitor would be whoever runs the “real” google cloud that all the internal stuff.

Wait, what? GCP isn't just the productization of their internal infrastructure?

Neither is AWS, or Azure. Cloud platforms are their own product.

Only one company needs Google's internal infrastructure. That company is called Google.

The lessons learned in building those systems can be applied to more generalized solutions which can be sold as standalone products.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by rurp »

saagarjha wrote: post #117
clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #72

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If it's profitable why do they care if it passes Amazon or Microsoft?

Because it's not profitable "enough". Presumably they'd like to reassign their engineers on projects that could make more money.

That makes sense in the abstract but of the dozens, maybe hundreds, of projects Google is currently working on, how many outside of Ads make a sizable amount of profit?

A mildly successful cloud provider would probably make FAR more money long term than the median Google product. Pulling the plug on GCP to build a couple dozen projects that will mostly get killed themselves seems like a huge waste, even without considering all of the negative externalities of burning even more customers by cancelling a major service.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by choppaface »

antoncohen wrote: post #286

I want to put on end to the "you can't contact Google" comments that comes up every time Google Cloud makes the front page. You can contact Google Cloud. They are very responsive. I'm currently at a small startup using GCP, and I've been at similarly sized startups with equivalent AWS spends. I have found it easier to have serious discussions with GCP, compared to AWS. We have dedicated GCP contacts. We actually have…

I’ve had a similar experience where I could email PMs and we even had Google forward deployed engineers on-site.

The trouble is that their customer service is terrible.

We reported numerous issues and there was no tracking at all. For one UI bug in their webapp, a PM completely disregarded the reproduction instructions I gave him and made me have a half-hour kong Hangout with a remote engineer to prove the bug existed. The engineer even found more bugs while watching my screen.

The sales engineers (solution consultants?) are rather slimey, especially compared to the PMs who often admit when they don’t know something. This one eng kept pushing Dataflow even after we said no 100 times. It appears Google uses Dataflow / Beam internally now (instead of MapReduce) and so I guess at Google you’re dumb if you’re not doing the “correct” thing.

Also frustrating was how much money we wasted due to things like multi-gpu jobs taking 10-15 minutes to start and their GPU hypervisor pausing the whole system for 10-20 seconds incessantly.

If you use GCE, make sure Google is paying for the bloody edges. Get a ton of credits.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by juped »

UncleMeat wrote: post #385
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #205

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That's a statement that cries out for analysis, although I'm not doubting you could be right still - it's not the kind of thing one just states without backing it up.

Where is RSS now? Are there products that filled the niche left by Reader? No. The technology died. Isn't this clear evidence that the product was dead in the water?

It's literally in a element on the very website you're posting on, dude

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by headmelted »

mrosett wrote: post #15

I can't imagine a more damaging leak for Google Cloud. A company that's already notorious for abandoning projects now has a public date for when they'll abandon cloud. How could anyone in their right mind start building on GCP? They may as well shut it down today.

Agreed.

Google obviously has a firm grip on what they’re willing to call unacceptable losses for an investment, but they need to realise that there is reputation damage every time they axe one of these projects that they don’t seem to be accounting for at all in their decision-making.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by derefr »

chupa-chups wrote: post #250

I don't understand how an enterprise as big as google doesn't have the energy to simply eat through time and money until it succeeds. Even if the share has to be divided forever between 3 major cloud providers, it would eventually pay off.

Time and money aren't Google's scarce resources. Engineers are. Every Google project would love nothing more than to steal other Google project's staffing for themselves.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by jjeaff »

asplake wrote: post #63
Shakahs wrote: post #28

I'm astounded that they would seriously consider closing GCP after committing so much time, money, and effort into building it. Every time there's a GCP story on HN commenters say "I won't use it because Google can just pull the plug." I thought this opinion was silly as GCP is the #3 cloud provider in the world, not a free service like Reader. Guess I was wrong, nothing is safe. Google wants #1 or nothing at all.

However tempting (and it is very tempting), how much they’ve already spent should never figure in this kind of decision (aka the sunk cost fallacy). What matters is the return they will get from future commitments.

That, and the strong signaling it would create if they did drop it. That signal being, never ever use a Google product for Enterprise purposes.
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