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Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by judge2020 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #371
eigenvalue wrote: post #345

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What would you have the Brave team do? Create a new html rendering engine from scratch? That is an incredibly challenging engineering project that would probably require years and many tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to do well, and what would be the benefit to Brave's users and investors? It would just lead to loads of performance and compatibility issues, and it is fundamentally irrelevant to the core v…

No, of course not. I would have had them base on Gecko.

As I understand it, Gecko is much harder to work with, so it would take a lot of time to make something like brave compatible with both Chromium and Gecko/Firefox's APIs (or to even only move to Gecko/FF). See the following comment from [0]:

> More significantly, in my book: it’s difficult to use Gecko and Firefox in these ways. Even the simplest app requires substantial and arcane boilerplate. And the docs are comprehensive but outdated. The platform may be powerful, but it’s hard to use.

There's also now qbrt[1], but the readme itself recommends not using it, and it was last updated 7 months ago. If this matures to a usable state, I can see Brave developers considering it.

0: https://mykzilla.org/2017/03/08/positron-discontinued/

1: https://github.com/mozilla/qbrt

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by kxrm »

jonatanheyman wrote: post #350
k_vi wrote: post #308

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It'd be like taking a walk in the park and paying/supporting the park if you feel the need to.

> It'd be like taking a walk in the park and paying/supporting the park if you feel the need to. It'd be like taking a walk in the park and paying/supporting the park - by having a salesperson walking beside you trying to pitch some product - if you feel the need to.

It'd be like taking a walk in the park and paying/supporting the park utilizing a corporate currency - by having a salesperson walking beside you trying to pitch some product - if you feel the need to

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by Drakim »

SamBam wrote: post #362
Drakim wrote: post #52

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You aren't really meant to have a "system" of earning and spending BAT that balances each month. The budget of BAT you set each month comes from your wallet, and is essentially your personal donation to the various websites you use, it's not related to ads. This wallet can run out in the same way any wallet can run out, and you'd have to refill it. The BAT you can earn from seeing ads is separate and unrelated to tha…

> The BAT you can earn from seeing ads is separate and unrelated to that. Maybe it goes into the same wallet but that's not important. I would guess that the vast majority of people would prefer to see their BAT go up when they viewed ads, and down when they paid content creators, and have no more interaction than that. To the viewer, it would be monopoly money, but they'd be happy because advertisers would essential…

Fair enough, but I personally use my credit card to pay several content creators monthly on Patreon, I don't see this as being that different.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by bduerst »

mdorazio wrote: post #54
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

I would personally much rather allocate actual dollars instead of CryptoBuckOfTheDay backed by ads I have no desire to ever watch. Say, $20/month that gets allocated to sites I visit. The whole "reward people for watching ads" model just seems... wrong.

Google had something that did this, where it would show you pictures of cats instead of ads, but still allowed you to pay the website a couple pennies:

https://contributor.google.com/v/beta

Unfortunately, it only worked on Google ads, which is something like 40-55% coverage, so you would still see some ads from other networks. Not sure what they're doing with it now, but it was nicer than dealing with funbucks.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by iamaelephant »

judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

So Brave is tracking all of the content I consume? That will be a hard pass from me, thanks.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by judge2020 »

1_player wrote: post #389
emptysongglass wrote: post #371

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No, of course not. I would have had them base on Gecko.

Don't quote me on that, but Gecko must not be the easiest engine to build upon. How many browsers out there are based on Gecko, apart from Firefox? AFAIK the only choice nowadays is between Chromium and WebKit. I honestly would like to see more WebKit based browsers instead.

I wonder if Webkit still have any resources behind using it on Windows since the documentation for building it[0] still says "Windows 8.1" (and I can't find links to the documentation or website SVN repo).

0: https://webkit.org/webkit-on-windows/

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by mthoms »

Waterluvian wrote: post #348
judah wrote: post #13

I've been using Brave rewards, both as a user and a content maker. It's really great, and I feel this may be a reasonable alternative to the invasive trackers+ads we have today. For the uninitiated, Brave lets users opt-in to Brave rewards: - You set your browser to reward content creators with Basic Attention Token (BAT). You set a budget (e.g. 10 BAT/month), and Brave distributes it the sites you use most, e.g. if…

Can I just buy BAT with cash and never ever see ads?

Yes, absolutely.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by bytematic »

Is this the browser that blocks ads unless the website allows brave ads and get brave crypto. Essentially the same model the mafia uses. I'm sure this will go great.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by jimmydorry »

lawtalkinghuman wrote: post #278
dwild wrote: post #268

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> The creators end up getting a crapto token at the end of it and then have to wait a long time to accumulate enough to justify the time, hassle and transaction fees to turn it back into actual money they can spend on beer/rent/etc. All for some tiny fraction of the browser market. The same would be true for actual dollars... you would have to wait for it to get high enough to justify the transaction fees but also th…

I'm reasonably sure USD (or EUR) will still exist, have some reasonably similar value, and be usable in five years. There are quite a lot of crypto tokens I do not have anywhere near that level of confidence in.

Try using USD or EUR at 5 or more decimal points.

Re: Brave launches 1.0

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Post by naasking »

kxrm wrote: post #393
jaywalk wrote: post #318

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The comment I replied to said: > Eg, I pay $5/m or $15/m, whatever, and that gets split up by the number of pages I view and content I consume. That's 100% possible to do with Brave's system.

My only issue with this, if I understand correctly, is that I must use BAT currency.

If I understand correctly, you don't actually use BAT, it gets consumed as you browse. You would just top it up like a pay as you go phone if you want an ad-free browsing experience, or you can generate BAT by enabling ads at a configurable level if you don't mind them.
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