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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by mike00632 »

askafriend wrote: post #21

I'm sorry but as a user, I trust my relationship with Apple more than I trust random third party devs. As a user, I want Apple to lock down the system and make things hard for developers. As a developer, I empathize with my perspective as a user and build products that take this into account.

Doesn't the freedom and Android allow for you to trust a secure app store? I know that Playstore has its issues but it still has their barrier to entry and is patrolled by Google's app security team. Alternatively, there could even be a more secure app store established with even higher vetting. This is in contrast to Apple's store where you're either comfortable with their balance of security/hassle or you're not.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by pentae »

dijit wrote: post #7

Actually; now that I think about it, from a user perspective I also really dislike the App Store. I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things, maybe there was some new shiny (often beautiful) program to do something really well. The experience was on the 'better than passable' side, nobodies favourite interface maybe, but certainly not terrible. But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacO…

You just described why Apple has dragged their feet as slowly as possible developing Safari. "Add to Home Screen" is now completely hidden away and unlike on Android, progressive web app functionality is delayed as long as they possibly can.

I imagine there would be so much innovation and interesting content if these companies didn't have such a tight grip on their walled gardens. Politically sensitive, erotic content or just innovative apps that operate outside of the Apple curators is just never going to be available for users of this expensive hardware. I believe it should at the very least be optional like sideloading is on Android.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by swozey »

nogridbag wrote: post #188
cytzol wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also really dislike the App Store. [...] I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things I used to do this too, and like you, I've now grown to really dislike it. My reason is different, though: the App Store app has _plummeted_ in quality. It's now so hard to use, I don't bother using it. 1. The UI is all over the place. Some UI controls cause pages to swipe up from the bottom. Some cause pages to swipe…

I used the OSX App Store for the first time in years a few days ago. For the life of me I could not figure out how to download a simple free app. I had to ask my SO, who usually comes to me for tech questions, how to use it. Keep in mind I've been using computers for decades and have an above average understanding of UI design. 1. Upon clicking the App Store icon and entering my apple ID and password I get a 500 erro…

> 3. I searched for the same application clicked GET again and then it turned into a cloud icon. Clicking the cloud icon seemed to do absolutely nothing. At this point I asked my wife who told me I had already downloaded the app to my account and now I need to download it to my machine. EDIT: I just remembered I was seriously confused at this point. I clicked the cloud icon several times and given there was zero feedback I opened both Launchpad and the Applications directory in case it magically already installed.

I did this exact same thing last week after upgrading to Catalina and getting the 1-2 app store apps I needed. I kept getting the cloud, I have no idea what the cloud means but it wasn't the down facing arrow I usually saw. So I kept clicking it. Turns out it HAD installed the app but never gave me an Open button. I stay far away from the app store if I can.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by reaperducer »

Tronno wrote: post #337
Humdeee wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (~== Not necessarily equal to. Did I just invent that?) Instead of inventing new operators in your sentences, you can also just stick with plain English

On HN I occasionally see programming conventions used in otherwise normal writing. E.g. "at $big_corp we like to use $process". I can't stand it. It's the linguistic equivalent to wearing a bowtie and pocket protector.

Almost as bad as people on HN who start each comment with "I mean" or end each question with "no?"

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by reaperducer »

shkkmo wrote: post #365
99052882514569 wrote: post #275

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As a standalone word, yes. The expression is, nevertheless, "bury the lede", and always* has been. * since the 1970s when it first surfaced.

Do you have a reference for this? The linked article seems pretty clear that it is used both ways and "lead" is the original

"Lead" is correct, and "lede" is journalism jargon.

It was adopted in broadcasting circles to keep news readers from saying "lead" (as in the element) instead of "lead" (as in to follow).

Source: Journalism degree, communications degree, 20 years in broadcast news.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by lliamander »

nogridbag wrote: post #188
cytzol wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also really dislike the App Store. [...] I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things I used to do this too, and like you, I've now grown to really dislike it. My reason is different, though: the App Store app has _plummeted_ in quality. It's now so hard to use, I don't bother using it. 1. The UI is all over the place. Some UI controls cause pages to swipe up from the bottom. Some cause pages to swipe…

I used the OSX App Store for the first time in years a few days ago. For the life of me I could not figure out how to download a simple free app. I had to ask my SO, who usually comes to me for tech questions, how to use it. Keep in mind I've been using computers for decades and have an above average understanding of UI design. 1. Upon clicking the App Store icon and entering my apple ID and password I get a 500 erro…

> 1. Upon clicking the App Store icon and entering my apple ID and password I get a 500 error. No amount of restarting can fix it. After a quick search, one of the top 5 search results led to a cryptic command I had to enter at the Terminal to fix it. This actually happened with a previous MBP and I just never used the app store (pretty much a factory install of OSX on both machines).

Further evidence of the theory that Mac usability in 2019 is approaching where Linux was in 2000.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by [deleted] »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #330
Razengan wrote: post #224

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> instead rejected them first for a crash (sigh!) As a user, I'm glad Apple did that. As a developer, the one thing that I do dislike about Apple, is the dismal state of their documentation on how to actually take advantage of all their platforms' features. I have to begrudgingly admit that their nemesis Microsoft has always been way ahead in that department.

Apple's documentation is some of the worst most incomplete garbage I've ever had the displeasure of trying to read. When you literally need to go to third party people who just figured it out through sheer luck because features are fully undocumented and don't give tool tips, you've broken the user experience.

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Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by lliamander »

Tronno wrote: post #337
Humdeee wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (~== Not necessarily equal to. Did I just invent that?) Instead of inventing new operators in your sentences, you can also just stick with plain English

On HN I occasionally see programming conventions used in otherwise normal writing. E.g. "at $big_corp we like to use $process". I can't stand it. It's the linguistic equivalent to wearing a bowtie and pocket protector.

Hey man. Bow ties are cool.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by plorkyeran »

snazz wrote: post #221
nogridbag wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used the OSX App Store for the first time in years a few days ago. For the life of me I could not figure out how to download a simple free app. I had to ask my SO, who usually comes to me for tech questions, how to use it. Keep in mind I've been using computers for decades and have an above average understanding of UI design. 1. Upon clicking the App Store icon and entering my apple ID and password I get a 500 erro…

How it should work is that you search for an app, press GET, and it appears on your machine. I’m not sure what issue #1 and #2 are caused by (they’re certainly not common on a factory install with a normal iCloud account). I’m also not sure why the cloud icon appeared instead of downloading it straight to your machine. That’s also definitely a bug. For #3, here’s how I’d explain it to someone who hasn’t used it befor…

I've seen the exact behavior parent described many times. I doubt we're the only two.

Re: We are leaving the Apple App Store and all its problems

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Post by lliamander »

jen729w wrote: post #42
dijit wrote: post #7

Actually; now that I think about it, from a user perspective I also really dislike the App Store. I used to _love_ it, I would check weekly for new things, maybe there was some new shiny (often beautiful) program to do something really well. The experience was on the 'better than passable' side, nobodies favourite interface maybe, but certainly not terrible. But I actually avoid the App Store these days, both on MacO…

I’ve also stopped “check[ing] weekly for new things”, but that’s because I don’t need any new things! Do you? I don’t have Instagram but I imagine it’s a bit like the App Store. I’m waiting somewhere. I’m bored. I know, I’ll check for a shiny thing. Oh, no shiny thing. That was disappointing. To compare, do you go to the internet regularly and check for new things? I don’t think this is the App Store’s fault. It’s no…

Modal logic captures the concepts of "necessity" and "possibility" nicely[1].

You could express it as "~□(shiny + new -> good app store)" which translates into "it is not necessary that shiny and new implies a good app store".

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic

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