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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by slavik81 »

Const-me wrote: post #398
greggman2 wrote: post #167

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As someone who answers quite a few quesitons on SO I'd really like to see posts that were perceived as wrongfully closed to see if I agree (haha) and also to see how to fix the system. Of course I have no hope that S.O. will change anything. When they started their "be nice" campaign I suggested the "CLOSED: This is a duplicate" message should be changed to "CONGRATS: This appears to be a duplicates so you win! There…

> I just don't run into it myself. I think the reason for that is you’re a web developer. The majority of the admins too. For less popular domain areas, the experience is very different. I run into the issue all the time. The experience became so disappointing that I stopped writing answers there. Here’s a couple examples where downvoters destroyed, or almost destroyed, good questions with my answers to them: https:/…

It drives me nuts that you need 10k rep to view deleted questions. I can't see your second question because I only have ~3k reputation.

I don't understand why it's a privilege in the first place. What's so dangerous about allowing me to read a 'bad' question?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#402

Post by klyrs »

fortran77 wrote: post #399
klyrs wrote: post #397

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> So on forums I get called "she". > > It's never bothered me. Sounds like something a woman would say. Are you sure you're a man? Note: I don't think this is an appropriate way to talk to folks -- but if your actual position is that it's totally okay to misgender everybody, then let's explore that. I've met lots of folks who claim that it's harmless, but typically it breaks down after I start treating them the way t…

Mods!

My point exactly: you wouldn't be calling mods if you didn't find misgendering to be violent when it's directed at you.

It's not just "the transgender community." It's a baseline of human decency to call folks what they want to be called.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

mthoms wrote: post #393
anon12345690 wrote: post #183

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how ironic lol, if you only knew that "he said" and "she said" is the whole problem because apparently you cant use pronouns anymore

Can you do us all a favour? Please stop incorrectly stating that the problem is with pronouns in general. It's been pointed out many, many times. The point of contention here deals with one person intentionally refusing to use the pronoun someone else has requested when addressing them . Notice the emphasis on the words "intentional" and "them". (To be clear, this comment in no way meant to justify S.O.'s horrendous…

no, because the problem is with pronouns

theres nobody specific in the story. nobody requested a pronoun. if it was that simple then why would any of this happen? its cause this is about pronouns being a problem and people wanting to edit everything to be gender neutral to cater to the perpetually outraged

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

fenwick67 wrote: post #384
anon12345690 wrote: post #179

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why? its literally the points right here https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html

"apparently anything on the site like a code example that talks about people like Bob and Alice cant use He and She" is wrong. SE wanted people's correct pronouns explicitly used if they were given. Has nothing to do with rhetorical Alice or Bob, and SE didn't object to calling women 'she'. Furthermore, the actual root of the controversy here is that Cellio was removed of her admin title too swiftly, and generally SE…

yea ok if they werent whining then there wouldnt be a problem would there? we wouldnt even be talking about pronouns if nobody cared huh? lol whatever

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

mcv wrote: post #327
anon12345690 wrote: post #319

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when its getting to the point that its turning into hr classes and laws that get you fired or jailed for being in the 99.9% of the population then yea people should fight back against it all

You obviously shouldn't be (and aren't) getting fired or jailed for being in whatever percentage of the population. But if people are going out of their way to hurt a minority, then something needs to be done to stop it. That's what those laws and HR classes should be addressing. And if that's the thing you intend to be fighting, then yes, you've got a fight. But this shouldn't be a fight. Respecting people for their…

define hurt. you cant just make up rules. people can say whatever they want. its free speech and its important. and are you seriously ignoring all the people who do get fired and jailed? lol wait till it happens to you

i find your comment offensive so youre banned for life from the internet. is that what you want? or should my offense be my own problem? ill let you figure out which one is better

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #367
josteink wrote: post #364

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> I don't know where that leaves me or my workplace. It leaves you in a position to call out bullshit where you see it. Just say “no”. Letting a fascist PC-regime driven by a small but vocal ring of extremists enslave your speech and thought temporarily for “safety” is not a good long term strategy. Every time you let them get away with one thing, they will always keep pushing for more.

Calling people what they want to be called is not "enslaving your speech and thought."

no its not

but FORCING people to use those words or be fined or banned or jailed is definitely tyranny

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #362
anon12345690 wrote: post #211

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thats not a problem either. you cant force people to say anything.

You can't "force" people to say things, but it's still a problem when people are deliberately insulting, obviously.

when you stop forcing people to do things then theyll be much nicer in dealing with you

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

Fnoord wrote: post #330
anon12345690 wrote: post #219

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twitter culture is outrage culture. its a bunch of maniacs yelling at each other and they should all be ignored

What is this "Twitter culture" you're talking about? Could you sum it up?

most people on twitter and a lot of the verified people basically police each other for how "woke" they can be with social justice

and if anyone steps out of line against the insane number of rules about who you might slightly offend then you get mobbed and "cancelled" by being called a racist/sexist/bigot/transphobe/nazi and whatever cool word is in use until you lose your job and lifestyle and are permanently branded a terrible person

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by anon12345690 »

damnyou wrote: post #360
anon12345690 wrote: post #216

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yea theres a difference between what you CANT say and what you MUST say guess what, rules against what you cant say are fine but you cant make me have say something. thats tyranny. youre welcome to be as outraged as you want in your own home but you dont get to control my life because of it. its called freedom.

No, there are things you are forced to say in workplaces. For example, you can't act nice towards almost everyone on a team but ignore the only Black person. That's exactly what trans people want, to be given the same respect as everyone else. If you use pronouns for everyone other than the only trans person on the team, they're quite rightly going to be upset.

no youre looking at it backwards. if the only black person on the team kept saying I want you to call me "your majesty" and i ignored them then its not cause theyre black but because theyre unreasonable and demanding from everyone else

guess what, easier to dump the unreasonable person. but of course if you cant see people for more than their skin color then youll think its discrimination. i cant help you with that.

and heres a bonus story for the day about how this gender neutral stuff is hurting people and kids: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7542005/Girls-skipp...

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by brigandish »

Traster wrote: post #391
brigandish wrote: post #342

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I agree. I've had other devs call me all sorts, in public, and it's not nice. One Ruby committer called me an "asshat" on his Twitter feed, simply because he failed to read my pull request properly and then seemed unable to admit it. Weird. One maintainer on another project called me a troll for opening an issue. Recently, I had one of the Rubygems maintainers be rude to me for the heinous crime of… suggesting client…

I think the really obvious point is that there is actually a middle way. You don't need authoritarian enforcement of speech, you need communities willing to just step in and say "That's not appropriate". Someone confident and willing to just step into a Torvalds rant and say "Hi Linus, let's step away from the technical issues, this isn't the way you should be communicating your issues". Often here what we're seeing…

Again I agree, but that is the NCoC way.
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