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Turn off DoH, Firefox

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Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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This! This is very bad for Erdoğan. They won't be able to block DNS over HTTPS. Thus teir classic DNS blocks will be useless. Last time I've checked there was over 300K blocked domains via DNS. Even 8.8.8.8 doesn't work.

Why can't they block 1.1.1.1?

They can block but you can make any https page into DoH. What they are going to do? Block every web site?

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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Eh, this is a losing battle for them. In theory any HTTPS server can be a DoH server if set up for it. One key for the future is to have so many DoH servers available for people in countries that filter that there is no way the government can block them all.

My uBlock Origin contains over 100k filter rules, and I pay zero for it. I doubt a company can't sell a list of open DoH servers for a reasonable price.

How they are going to block servers who have DoH url? DNS level block or IP block. May be SNI level block but in few years we will have ESNI.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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If you use wi-fi without a VPN, you have the coffee shop and the coffee shop's ISP. And anyone listening there. Of course there is cleartext SNI even for SSL connections... but alas.

What coffee shop ? I only connect to wifi at home and at the office.

And you're the only person who uses mobile computing devices.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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Detect it, how? By forwarding the request to a local resolver after DoH fails, and thus leaking information?

Do you... really care if someone outside you network knows the domain you chose for an internal network service? That's not sensitive information. Also, there's basically no way for cloudflare, even if they were being malicious about it, to collect and use that information. What would they do with it?

Yes, I care. Why don't you? I work for Tier 1 banks. They are paranoid, and rightly so. One of their many paranoid rules is that hostnames can never betray the machine's purpose. You could easily analyze DoH stats and deduce certain machines' functions.

Leaking information is bad.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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Indeed, Firefox is prioritizing the interests of users over the interests of sysadmins. Personally, I'm fine with that. > The basic IT mantra has been 'If it aint broke, don't fix it.' An unencrypted protocol that compromises privacy may not be "broke" for sysadmins, but it is for users.

Well, now CF will know per-organization IT structures. All those LAN-only administrative interfaces, and, with link prefetching, internal resource maps could be built in just a few clicks , using account with sufficient privileges. This is such a security-defying move by Mozilla I can't even start. And CF DNS logs will be the obvious first step for every targeted attack.

Sure, if your targeted attacker has managed to compromise Cloudflare first… Not exactly a trivial prerequisite. If you have any kind of VPN or Wi-Fi access to your network, those domain names are already leaking to other DNS providers whenever someone accidentally accesses a URL while on the wrong network.

Also, if your internal resources are using publicly trusted SSL certificates, the domain names are already being broadcast to the public thanks to Certificate Transparency. If you’re sophisticated enough to run a private CA for them, then you’re probably sophisticated enough to set up use-application-dns.net as well – though I still wouldn’t recommend ever treating domain name secrecy as a meaningful security boundary, considering how many ways they can be leaked. The remaining possibility is that your internal resources aren’t using SSL at all... in which case you have bigger problems than domain name leaks.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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> DoH means that Firefox will concentrate all DNS traffic on Cloudflare, and they send traffic from all their users to one entity. Why does DoH necessarily mean that Cloudflare will be handling the traffic? The article barrels right to that conclusion without explaining why.

The default setting in Firefox is to use Cloudfare as the DOH provider

Thanks for pointing this out.

> It is clear what Mozilla needs to do: Mozilla can and should revert the change and allow users to easily opt-in. And to select or enter the DoH provider instead of defaulting to Cloudflare.

Buried lede is buried.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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This is painful to read. Masses off unfounded FUD - the article deliberately buries that it's trivial to change your DoH provider if you're silly enough to believe that CF is actively logging DoH requests and selling them (CF is involved with serving vast swathes of the internet anyway - if they wanted to go down this route they have far more lucrative avenues open than selling DNS requests by IP). If instead what yo…

I don't really see how DoH helps because the IP is still flowing between host and client. What does it matter if they can't see the DNS request? They still see the ip values flying between your computer and TheGreatSatan.us.xxx ? Only a VPN can help here anyway. DoH is good for making sure the IP matches up to the host address because it can verify the IP returned is the one that it is in actually rather than a state actor substitution.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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My uBlock Origin contains over 100k filter rules, and I pay zero for it. I doubt a company can't sell a list of open DoH servers for a reasonable price.

How they are going to block servers who have DoH url? DNS level block or IP block. May be SNI level block but in few years we will have ESNI.

To access a DNS-over-HTTP server, you need its IP (otherwise it would be a circular problem - must have DNS to access DNS). So they can just block the IP/port.

Re: Turn off DoH, Firefox

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It should be a setting in a standard dot file. I don't understand why Mozilla can't create a simple configuration file like most applications.

All these settings are stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox/ So for me the trr mode is stored in /home/sean/.mozilla/firefox/k3dmofx7.default/prefs.js

I've tried changing prefs from that file and it is a mess. Not adequately documented either. Standard INI-format would be ideal.
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