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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by prewett » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:49 PM UTC

krzyk wrote: post #161

jl6 wrote: post #86

This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.

Xs was incremental improvement, this year people expected more.

I read the announcement and was pretty impressed:

- 20% faster processor

- 4 - 5 hrs better battery life

- 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former)

- 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!)

- wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and better low-light imaging

- AI image processing magic

- Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market)

- "immersive audio" (this is a maybe: I'll be impressed if a phone can pack speakers that beat my studio headphones, but the 2019 MacBook Pro 15" is 95% as good, so there's a possibility)

- incremental improvements to WiFi and LTE

That all sounds pretty compelling to me. I'm not sure if I want it enough to pay $1000, but this sounds like a pretty solid improvement in pretty much all ways.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by gnicholas » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

davnicwil wrote: post #325

hrktb wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Pro” is not just for productivity but comfort of use as well. As an analogy if you sit on a chair 8 hours a day you’ll want a super nice chair, even if it wouldn’t have direct effects on productivity compared to a just decent one. For most people relying on a smartphone for work, be it 700 or 1000 the device will pay for itself in a few months at most, so I think the price difference won’t matter much. Better batter…

Honest question, who relies on a smartphone for work? I mean, obviously people rely on a phone for work, people rely on email for work, but what jobs are there where getting the iPhone pro model would make a difference to getting, say, the now much lower priced iPhone 8.. or for that matter a used 2/3 year old flagship android phone?

I'm a startup founder and I use my phone more than anything else to demo my company's technology. But any of the modern phones is fine for this (I've been rolling with a 7 Plus since it came out), and frankly I prefer the LCD screens to the new OLEDs because of ghosting/lag issues.

There may be other folks out there who want the fastest phone for the purposes of demoing technology. For me, I mostly just don't want to look like I'm a luddite (although I've seen a surprising number of founders/CEOs who rock the SE).

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by danw1979 » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

baq wrote: post #298

jl6 wrote: post #86

This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.

inherited 6s reporting in, have exactly 0 reasons to upgrade.

Roger that. Battery needs replacing but I'll gladly give Apple £80 to do that instead of £1.3k for a new one.

Really glad I got the 128GB 6s now... lots of storage makes the difference in longevity.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by TheRealDunkirk » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

RubberShoes wrote: post #375

Apple knew it back in 2017 and as each year progresses it’s becoming increasingly clear we have exited the innovation phase and are well into the saturated/sustained phone market. We will never see an iPhone announcement quite like the first 5 and the X. Short of a form factor change, our phones will last longer and the new phone feature list will decrease year over year. Also - the Pros are thicker, heavier, and sli…

People have complained for years about battery life. So Apple finally increases the battery slightly, and now I see people complaining about the weight. I understand now why Apple has resisted this for so long.

All Apple phones are too thin, too slippery, and too light. I want my Treo back! At least give me the curved 3GS again.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by stordoff » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:51 PM UTC

deergomoo wrote: post #347

iamnotacrook wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People say they expect more, but what, exactly? Do people still expect more from a laptop? They're laptops - they've not changed in 15 years. They just get faster, smaller and more easy to break. Phones have caught up. Nothings happening except more megapixels, plus slightly faster CPUs so..i dunno...snapchat loads faster or whatever, or more lenses or whatever, plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in…

> plus the sort of twilight zone $999 = £1049 pricing in the UK I don’t know what the hell is going on here. Usually the lack of VAT in US prices explains weird conversions, but even factoring that in it comes to £970. Keeping it at £999 would be fine; to put it up by 50 quid is some serious bullshit.

Pound hit a low of 1.1959 a week ago, and The Telegraph noted "there is a risk of sterling falling further"[1]. Taking that price gives £1002.42 ((999/1.1959)*1.2), and pricing in a potential drop doesn't seem totally unreasonable.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/03/markets-live...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by willis936 » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

ben174 wrote: post #329

dan-robertson wrote: post #74

Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.

Be careful what you wish for: https://light.co/camera

Now this is slick. I don’t think sensor fusion is a large focus for apple, judging from their lack of talking points on it. I would think with the resources to make their own ISP they could do some serious information theory work and put out photos that look far better than what smartphones do today. I originally figured that this low hanging fruit would be immediately exploited by phone manufacturers putting multiple camera sensors on a single phone, but I think that may be a little too optimistic and its something we’ll have to wait another few years to see.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by all_usernames » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

Anyone else notice the irony of Cook's statement near the beginning that the last model lineup has a 99% satisfaction rate?

So why do we need new phones then? "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." ~ Steve

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Post by cydonian_monk » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

jaydouken wrote: post #368

pkrefta wrote: post #41

Year after year of new iPhone's premieres I wonder for how long I'm going to use my iPhone SE - 3,5years has gone and nothing new for me on the horizon :( I don't care about missing jack, USB-C, cameras and other things - just make it smaller and it will fine by me.

How's the SE treating you in 2019? Trying to switch from Pixel to iPhone, but don't want to drop significant money until USB-C, which is rumored in 2020. Figured an SE might be good for me until then

I had to replace my SE battery earlier this year (well, I didn't absolutely need to, I did it because I intend to get another two years out if it). Otherwise mine is still chugging along perfectly well.

Software wise it's a perfectly fine device, definitely some limitations, but only because the processor is a four+ year old design. Some SPA or otherwise heavy webpages cause it to choke (ex: it hates USAToday), but 99% of what I try to do works great. Per Apple and MacRumours, the SE will get iOS 13. No idea how well that will run, but we'll see.

If you can get one in good shape to hold you over you'll probably be happy with it.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by sincerely » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

jaydouken wrote: post #368

pkrefta wrote: post #41

Year after year of new iPhone's premieres I wonder for how long I'm going to use my iPhone SE - 3,5years has gone and nothing new for me on the horizon :( I don't care about missing jack, USB-C, cameras and other things - just make it smaller and it will fine by me.

How's the SE treating you in 2019? Trying to switch from Pixel to iPhone, but don't want to drop significant money until USB-C, which is rumored in 2020. Figured an SE might be good for me until then

I have an SE still, it works completely fine. I don't really use my phone for much besides maps/social media/web browsing so I never felt like i needed a more powerful device. The camera is great.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by katsura » Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:53 PM UTC

paul7986 wrote: post #111

hownowbrowncow wrote: post #16

I'm quite sad they have removed 3D Touch from the phones. A minor feature I really enjoy with quick peeking — and bummed to lose that touch information for apps like Procreate Pocket and other drawing tools.

Ive been using iOS 13 and am not liking the haptic touch enhancements like... 1. Now to delete an app from homescreen I have to choose from a menu and then click the X to delete. Inside the menu I usually see "share this app," which for me holds no value. 2. The worst is haptic touch in Safari. While scrolling now Im constantly tapping a link and opening a maddening preview window. Terrible... anyone know how to turn…

If you keep your finger on the icon a little bit longer after the menu shows up then it will start shaking and you can delete it. No need to use the menu.