YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems” • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by wvenable » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:58 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #201

homonculus1 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm out of the loop--was he directly inciting action against the parents?

He was accusing the parents of aiding a conspiracy to stage a fake shooting. I can imagine being a parent who has just lost a child, only to be told that I was lying, and that my child either never existed or was still alive. It's a real ideological litmus test - exactly how turned can your stomach get before you call for an exception to free speech?

Lets be clear with terms here; I wouldn't call for an exception to "free speech" even for Alex Jones. He has every right to say whatever he wants short of outright threats, etc.

But I certainly don't think anyone should be forced or required to give him a platform for which to broadcast his speech.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jolmg » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

UncleChis wrote: post #363

chrshawkes wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Google created that walled city, they also destroyed every other city into a pile of rubble after tapping into endless resources from a completely unrelated industry. YouTube had an unfair advantage over just about any other company trying to build something similar. Google is famous for making things free until they are not, than your screwed. I like when they arbitrarily change rules about SEO, AMP's and such…

Am I the only one gets annoyed when people use "than" while it should be "then"? And hell a lot of such people!

> people use "than" while it should

Don't you mean "when"? "people use 'than' when it should..."

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

jammygit wrote: post #330

chrshawkes wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While Google created that walled city, they also destroyed every other city into a pile of rubble after tapping into endless resources from a completely unrelated industry. YouTube had an unfair advantage over just about any other company trying to build something similar. Google is famous for making things free until they are not, than your screwed. I like when they arbitrarily change rules about SEO, AMP's and such…

Is there a way to disable amp in my browser? It’s hard to get to the real sites

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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by mevile » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #310

You want YouTube to be one way, but it's the other way. Protest. Boycott. Build alternatives. This is how you fight corrupt corporations. It makes no sense to force YouTube to host all content for free. YouTube is a video entertainment business, it's not insulin or a house. Again, it's a video entertainment site. It is wholly unimportant in reality. The only power YouTube has is the power society willingly gives it b…

Is that a Wire reference <3

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by slaymaker1907 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

Well, if some random dude is posting how to do it on YouTube, you can hardly call it a _secure_ system.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by sequoia » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

The "solution" is choosing your priorities and being willing to make sacrifices, which, in my experience, many people are not willing to do.

"I don't want to be on a censorious megacorporate platform." Great! You can do this, you'll just have to be on the #2 platform rather than the #1 platform, and there won't be as many "free" tools & services. "What?? How can you suggest I abandon the #1 platform? I need all those free tools and services + the exposure of the #1 platform!" :shrug: OK, in that case "free tools and services" & "exposure" are higher priorities to you than user respect, privacy, free expression etc., and you're making the right choice to stay on youtube.

It feels a lot like people want to have their cake and eat it too.

Our (as users) only negotiating leverage with a provider like google is willingness to leave their platforms. If you're are not willing to do that, all this hand-wringing and complaining is just wasted breath as google has ~0 incentive to take your complaints seriously.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by cr0sh » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #336

WalterBright wrote: post #111

I bought a book on defeating burglar alarms because I wanted to install a burglar alarm that wasn't easily defeated. I read up on what causes cancer so I can avoid those things. I read up on security breaches because I'm interested in designing the D programming language so D programs are less susceptible to hacking attacks.

I watched videos on how to open padlocks because I bought a house with a padlocked gate to which the owner had lost the key.

Step 1: Obtain blue wrench.

Step 2: Turn on blue wrench.

Step 3: Apply blue wrench to padlock.

Step 4: Profit.

/can't be locked if it's a liquid...

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by Asooka » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #228

floatingatoll wrote: post #147

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

That's probably a great way to get your own Google account banned, and there is no way in hell I'm risking that.

Why do you only have one google account?

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by malvosenior » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:02 PM UTC

afthonos wrote: post #371

jlawson wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They posted the full unedited video. It doesn't reveal anything deceptive about the editing of the first edited-for-time video. EDIT: Going to the substance - you really think Google employees don't want to prevent Trump's re-election? Because every possible indicator (campaign donations, personal speech, company policy) says that they do. The Veritas video is part of a massive pattern of evidence pointing to the sam…

This isn’t about Google. I reject Project Veritas as a source of evidence . I take no public position on Google, not least because I work there and don’t speak for them. This isn’t a demand for rigor, isolated or otherwise, because I genuinely didn’t know what this was about before your comment. The history of the thread went: - Some vague statement - Someone expressing confusion - Someone else supposing it was a Pro…

That's a really dangerous attitude to take. Are you really not curious what your own company is up to? Does it matter where the leak came from?

How about this. Go to google.com and type the following:

"women can"

vs.

"men can"

The bias is clear as day and you don't need Project Veritas to tell you.

There were also numerous documents leaked showing extreme left wing bias. You'll probably have seen them as an employee so it's pretty disingenuous to not address the root point (that Goolge is biased) and instead attack the messenger (Project Veritas in this case).

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by analognoise » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

otakucode wrote: post #398

starik36 wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are acting like a monopolist. And they are an effective monopoly.

A reply to you makes the unsubstantiated claim that YouTube is a profit-seeking company. They ignore the fact that, no, YouTube has not operated as a profit-seeking company. The reason YouTube is, and will remain, the pre-eminent video platform is because it was run at a profound loss for over a decade, losing hundreds of millions of dollars at a clip, for no reason other than to totally suppress competition. Framing…

Your local auto parts store prices oil lower than a mechanic can get it for, just to bring people in the door to sell them other items.

This is a well known tactic; these items are called "loss leaders". The fact that in this environment other people have successfully made video sharing websites (without a billion dollars, no less) means that the environment is competitive, even with the loss leader tactic.

On TOP of that, "Sharing videos" is not something that is required for civil society. It's an ancillary waste of time, but in no way owed to the public sphere.