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Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by dang »

sockpuppet999 wrote: post #397
dang wrote: post #108

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Please don't post like this here.

Dang please email me and tell me specifically what I've done wrong here. I'm not trying to shitpost, I m pointing out the obvious FYI. Perhaps you could step back little bit and try to understand my point of view before threaten me

You simply need to follow the site guidelines when posting to HN. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment upthread broke at least these two:

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

"Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It destroys intellectual curiosity, which the site exists for."

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by sockpuppet999 »

summerlight wrote: post #390
blub wrote: post #256

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"You got a fancy design which may give you a big revenue boost at the cost of compromising user privacy or legal risks? Good luck with upcoming privacy and/or legal review sessions; they don't care about your product since they have no motivation to do that." From the outside, it's doubtful that this team exists at all. Or if they do, they must watch YouTube all day instead of doing their jobs, because Google is gett…

> because Google is getting better and better at compromising privacy, thanks to fancy designs/dark patterns You're suggesting that the situation is getting worse, which I don't really see much clues from the linked report, though I don't want to spend my weekend on scrutinizing 44 pages report. I don't work for Maps, but AFAIK it used to track you silently and didn't give you control on user history. But now at leas…

I'm glad we both agree. There is a lot of work that needs to be done. The web ran just fine before the surveillance economy took it over. This needs to change-pronto

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by sockpuppet999 »

dang wrote: post #401
sockpuppet999 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dang please email me and tell me specifically what I've done wrong here. I'm not trying to shitpost, I m pointing out the obvious FYI. Perhaps you could step back little bit and try to understand my point of view before threaten me

You simply need to follow the site guidelines when posting to HN. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment upthread broke at least these two: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " " Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It destroys intellectual curiosity, which the site exists fo…

I'm not sure what rule I've broken here. Id invite you to review some other comments here and compare them to my own and email me so we can come to a easy conclusion

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by smhenderson »

malvosenior wrote: post #363
smhenderson wrote: post #358

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I’m no fan of Google these days but I have no issues what so ever using YouTube on Firefox. I listen all day long at work from a Slackware laptop and at home on Windows, Slackware and OpenBSD. I don’t have streaming issues and can watch full screen HD, no problems at all.

I don’t think this is the typical experience particularly on Linux. Do you not experience tearing? Excessive page load times? Even on Chromium, getting good YouTube performance on Linux requires tweaks. Completely off topic at this point but I’m curious what video card you have and if you’re on X or Wayland.

I did nothing to “tweak” Firefox. I did use their binary installer for Linux because I wanted the latest updates and Slackware is a bit conservative with its packages.

My Linux box at work is an HP laptop from several years ago with a pretty basic business class AMD graphics card in it, I did have to install AMD’s binary drivers on this machine.

And, using Slackware, it’s X. Not sure if Wayland is easily installable or not on Slack but it’s certainly not part of the base install or supported by Patrick.

Firefox is the only piece of my install that isn’t part of official Slackware-CURRENT.

Other than running it in Windows all of my other computers that use Firefox are running stock, no fancy desktop versions of Slack or OpenBSD. I use calm window manager on both. (Sorry, this contradicts an earlier statement, I also had to compile and install Calm on Slackware from source, everything else is just part of the supported packages for CURRENT)

Maybe my low resource OS’s help?

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by dang »

sockpuppet999 wrote: post #403
dang wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You simply need to follow the site guidelines when posting to HN. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment upthread broke at least these two: " Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. " " Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It destroys intellectual curiosity, which the site exists fo…

I'm not sure what rule I've broken here. Id invite you to review some other comments here and compare them to my own and email me so we can come to a easy conclusion

I just mentioned two rules your comment broke. It wasn't thoughtful or substantive (instead, it was an indignant rant on a divisive topic). And it was a battle comment against an ideological opponent. These are just the things we don't want on HN because they spread flames and kill curiosity.

Perhaps it would help to read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20013092 in addition to the site guidelines.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by xkgt »

p0nce wrote: post #329
Zigurd wrote: post #314

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Microsoft managed to kill Windows Phone by itself and take Nokia, and a more mature more viable smartphone OS, down with it. Windows phone was a "viable alternative" by the end, but in the beginning it was uncompetitive without any hindrances. Also recall that mobile carriers and OEMs were opposed to Android because it would further degrade their ability to create walled gardens. The carriers lost control of apps, no…

I've only met happy Windows Phone users

I am not sure how much we can read into it because they are the ones who are already bought in to that ecosystem.

Even I was a happy WP user and but I can't be sure how much of my satisfaction was out of choice-supportive bias.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by nvrspyx »

mycall wrote: post #354
burtonator wrote: post #349

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Agreed... Google has lost its mind. The removal of ad-block was the final straw for me. There's no rational explanation why that would be needed.

Removal of ad-block is just talk, not actually implemented and live yet, correct?

That’s what was said when this plan first started last year. However, it’s been consistently progressing over the months. When it’s progressing, it’s no longer just talk. They’re clearly adamant about making this a reality.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by malvosenior »

smhenderson wrote: post #404
malvosenior wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think this is the typical experience particularly on Linux. Do you not experience tearing? Excessive page load times? Even on Chromium, getting good YouTube performance on Linux requires tweaks. Completely off topic at this point but I’m curious what video card you have and if you’re on X or Wayland.

I did nothing to “tweak” Firefox. I did use their binary installer for Linux because I wanted the latest updates and Slackware is a bit conservative with its packages. My Linux box at work is an HP laptop from several years ago with a pretty basic business class AMD graphics card in it, I did have to install AMD’s binary drivers on this machine. And, using Slackware, it’s X. Not sure if Wayland is easily installable…

Thank you for the great info! I bet it's the AMD graphics card helping. I know Nvidia is a mess (and requires the aforementioned tweaking). I'm glad it's working well for you and I'd love to test a setup like this as I really want off Chromium but haven't had an equal experience with Firefox (on OS X and Linux with Nvidia cards).

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by KirinDave »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #381
bduerst wrote: post #251

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Google stopped mining Gmail two years ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html Any aggregation or segmentation of emails by ML/AI algorithms, as your article talks about, is analogous to having smarter filters in your inbox. It's tech illiteracy to confuse these perception NNs with data mining for business purposes.

Your employer is collecting this data right now , as my link points out. And it's actually gotten better at it in the last few months, as I purged all of my purchases from Gmail that it detected, and then a few weeks later, it found more, as they'd refined their ability to mine more transactional emails. It is absolutely mining email, and it's extracting purchase data from it, that isn't even used in Gmail or reveale…

> Is it possible that Google generically collects user purchase data, including from Gmail, and then whilst not using "Gmail data" for ad targeting, it does use the "purchase data" which has been generically made part of a user's Google profile?

Probably not. Not only because I don't think the courts would agree with that division being real. But also because it's absurdly expensive compared to just purchasing the data from CC providers which explicitly retain the right to sell your transaction history.

I have no special knowledge of why they're doing that, but I have suspicions and they're mostly about enabling the exact same sort of stuff I lacked the means to enable at my fintech startup.

Re: Justice Department Is Preparing Antitrust Investigation of Google

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Post by afpx »

threezero wrote: post #188
GeekyBear wrote: post #181

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The fact is that the revolving door between Google and our government was spinning pretty quickly during that period. >The Campaign for Accountability (CFA) this week launched the first two of its Google Transparency Projects. One of the projects – a visualisation of the revolving door between Google, the White House and US government agencies – is so dense, the website suggests viewing it on a desktop display. As we…

Notice that no Googlers have a good response to this or the Eric Schmidt / Hillary Clinton connection. Google’s ties to the Obama administration were deep.

As were the Obama administration’s early ties to many technology companies. Obama explicitly attempted to bring on “technocrats” into his cabinet as a way to try to modernism the effectiveness of government and leverage the internet. In contrast to many other administrations who lag behind technology, at least Obama was attempting to keep pace with it. I don’t view this as a bad thing.
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