We Don't Have a Talent Shortage. We Have a Sucker Shortage

Post by phs318u » Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 10:20 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #393

pm90 wrote: post #264

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> I told him what I made. Never make that mistake. Never ever disclose your salary information to someone that you potentially could work for. I think a situation where we were required by law to disclose, or a company where such a thing was common (GitLab) would be exceptions. But otherwise, I've found it to be a huge mistake to disclose your exact salary or numbers to anyone.

I’ll happily tell someone my current salary but I’ll never accept a new salary that I’m not happy with. I also try to accept 10-20% below market. You can get away with a lot when they think you’re the schmuck who didn’t know what he was worth.

Post by chrisweekly » Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 10:21 PM UTC

revvx wrote: post #301

pm90 wrote: post #259

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Well, the OP mentioned that the recruiter thought the candidate was lying which is why they low-balled. So that explains the logic at least. They're not stupid, but they don't trust candidates I guess. Which is a whole different thing.

Yeah, the recruiter told me the whole hiring team thought I was bullshitting about my salary. It was a problematic company from the get go. I was cold called and the recruiter was very insistent. Their engineers were very unprofessional during the technical interview and complained A LOT about technical debt left by past co-workers during the interview. Now, when I tell recruiters my minimum salary I refer recruiters…

Post by sixtypoundhound » Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 10:25 PM UTC

ohyes wrote: post #196

revvx wrote: post #111

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But that's exactly what I did? Sorry, I didn't phrase it right. My non-negotiable requirement was 20% more than I was getting. I gave a hard number and they said "yeah we can give that" before the interview. However the recruiter just assumed I was bluffing and went ahead with that colossal waste of time.

Sounds like an incompetent recruiter. Recruiters make money as a percentage of your hiring salary, why on earth would they try to place you somewhere that you are making less? They should be shopping you to whoever will give the most money.

Post by bufferoverflow » Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 10:27 PM UTC

edoceo wrote: post #391

bufferoverflow wrote: post #349

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Apr 20, 2019, 10:31 PM UTC

meddlepal wrote: post #188

b212 wrote: post #164

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Is this an American thing? I live in Eastern Europe and make decent buck here (close to 5000 EUR/mo after taxes in a country where you can cover all expenses under 1000 EUR/mo). I never had any trouble getting quality work in my country but a few times I got approached by companies from the US and oh boy, weeks of tiring recrutation process and the pay was ALWAYS worse than local. I feel like they do it on purpose ma…

I don't know about the EU business culture, but in the US you are expected to negotiate. You really have to fight for every penny you want...